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Discussion in '348/355' started by Ricambi America, May 2, 2008.

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  1. hank sound

    hank sound F1 Veteran

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    It's amazing how such terribly bent valves from your engine can form the basis of one of the best "auto parts" ads ever concieved. Talk about getting the reader's attention !
     
  2. enginefxr

    enginefxr Formula 3

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    Wow. Pretty severe angle on those center ones... good thing they didn't break the heads off!
     
  3. OCFerrari

    OCFerrari Karting

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    Does that completely solve the "blowing up transmission" issue, or does the trans have other weaknesses that can't fairly quickly and easily be resolved?
     
  4. Ricambi America

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    #29 Ricambi America, Feb 17, 2009
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    Not really... the accessible ring nuts are the ones on the side. They'll help a little bit. Early 348's with the thick spline shaft also have sh1tty ring nuts. The tell tale sign of impending failure on those is a CLUNK sound in the gearbox when you engage at revs.... like from 3->4. It almost sounds like the whole engine rocked on a motor mount or something when the sound occurs.
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  5. OCFerrari

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    Thanks. What years are considered "early?" Do the later ones have the problem solved? Also, how common is this problem, i.e., I know it's hard to estimate, but how many are going to make it to 60K miles without the box suffering major trauma?
     
  6. Ricambi America

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    I'm not sure what you'd call 'common', but I suspect at 50k miles, it is not 'uncommon'.

    I think the changeover was 94.
     
  7. OCFerrari

    OCFerrari Karting

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    How much would it have been to rebuild your box? When being rebuilt, can the problems be fixed so it doesn't happen again so quickly? Are the parts available?
     
  8. dra

    dra Rookie

    Mar 30, 2008
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    Clutch shaft identical to Daniels, 348ts. 1991 53k miles!
    Not good!!!!!!
    Cheers
    Pete
     
  9. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    Hey man... all in 2007, I had:

    January: major service
    January: clutch shaft failure
    then...
    October: complete transmission failure
    November: lower drive gear failure -> bent valves

    My very good friend, J.David in South Carolina (348 Challenge) has had similar heartache with his.


    I'm still paying for that f^&ing 348 in the form of Prada shoes and purses for Mrs. JRR.
     
  10. Ricambi America

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    My gearbox, in its cheapest rebuild would have been 15k. No, the parts are not readily available. They exist, but its not easy. And, the kicker is that you need to tear down the ENTIRE box to replace most of the crap pieces.

    I think my core is sitting at Competzione & Sports Cars in Gaithersburg MD. If there was a single team on earth that I'd trust with this particular issue, it is Richard and Fernando. They were my liferaft, in the midst of rough seas with skies darkening :)
     
  11. Gimme Fuel

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    Daniel...

    sad thread really....:(

    how much is it for a new set of valves to a 348 anyway???
    (I hope I wont regreting asking) :D
     
  12. OCFerrari

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    That's really a shame. I think the 348 and the Mondial T are both really nice cars, but for someone who wants to actually drive one, this transmission issue seems like a real problem. It will be interesting to see what happens when cars hit the market being sold with a broken transmission, as I'm sure there are lots of people who can't/won't go in $15K to fix it.

    A new trans and a major service will come very close to the value of many of these cars. What will an early 348 or Mondial T with a broken trans and a service coming up bring in the market?

    Hopefully there is a big enough market that someone will come up with a less expensive fix to repair/strengthen the transmission. Porsche had some issue with their late 90s transmissions, and some firms came up with some clever, relatively inexpensive fixes. But that's a much bigger market, which justified the initial investment in doing it, and could spread the cost out among a bunch of cars/owners.
     
  13. troy_wood

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    Before the "$15,000.00 to fix a 348 gear box" idea gets too far from this thread I would look at a few other examples in which owners paid no where near this amount to get back on the road...
     
  14. Ricambi America

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    #39 Ricambi America, Feb 17, 2009
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    Once the box in crunched, it is crunched. That was my situation. If the nuts are simply loose, yes you can beat the hell out of them to stake 'em down.

    If a gear or pinion is destroyed, you can buy a salvage/used part (not my world -- thankfully!), or start playing with some big dollars. There's not much middle ground.
     
  15. RossoCorsaItaly

    RossoCorsaItaly F1 Rookie
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    They will always retain a certain value because at some point salvage yards will buy them and dismantle them. For example a high mileage 89 off-color car may only be worth $25k, well if it needs a tranny and a major that comes to $20k, doesn't mean the car is worth $5k. There will still be many salvage yards that will pay $12-15k for the car.
     
  16. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    That's true (certainly up to now in the market), but I've done enough research to know that I don't need a 348 parts car as a spare. There are already enough body panels on the market, and the convertible top and engine are completely rebuildable. All of the electronics are 3rd party, as are things like the A/C and steering/suspension.

    Often, the 348 transmission/differential *can* be rebuilt...but when it can't...then that is the one weak link on the entire 348. Perhaps the more difficult to source 348 3rd party components are the turn stalks, Cat ECUs, windshield, A/C computer, fog-lights, late-model wheel bearings, and tranny (which may be an actual Ferrari component, I'm not certain).

    Put some XPEL or 3M clear film over your fog lights. Headlights too if you run hard at night. Electronic repair shops can typically fix the A/C computer, ABS computer, engine computers, etc. Turn stalks can be rebuilt, as well.

    What I need/want is a spare tranny, preferably one that is cheap and already needs rebuilding so that I know that it's been done properly once I'm finished with it.
     
  17. RossoCorsaItaly

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    #42 RossoCorsaItaly, Feb 17, 2009
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    Yeah, but lets not forget the less knowledgeable owners, dealers who are looking to flip a car quick and repair the minor things on it, small service shops who often buy replacement parts from major Ferrari salvage yards not knowing there are cheaper/better alternatives.

    A 348 will never be worthless, if I honestly saw a 348 with a nice body for less than $10k I'd buy it for decoration
     
  18. OCFerrari

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    Maybe someone will come out with a small block chevy and Muncie transmission retrofit!

    Did the 328 have this transmission issue, or is that transmission solid?
     
  19. rivee

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    For 308 valves and am not sure about the 348, go with SI Valves in the LA area.

    Got my stainless 308 valves from them years ago. Good guys to deal with for me anyway.
     

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