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Ferrari Art, limited or unlimited edition?

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  1. HotShoe

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    I'm doing a little research so I figured why not go right to the source? ;)

    If you were in the market to purchase some prints of ferrari related art how much of a factor would it be if they were from an open edition or limited edition? Quality, process, printing would be dead-on equal the only difference being total run numbers. The open edition prints would also be signed but the limited edition would be signed and numbered. If you prefer limited edition prints what max number do you think is best 500, 1000, 5000, etc.?

    What do you think is a fair price for such prints? I see most Ferrari art done in limited editions, signed and numbered with the average being around $250 for an unframed print. Does an open edition print make more sense if it is under $100?

    Any thoughts are much appreciated.
     
  2. f308jack

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    I have no answers for you, just more questions:

    What is the preferred size?

    What weight paper?

    I'm also much interested in this, as I have some art that I'd love to have printed, and I much dislike selling an original.
     
  3. Dincenzo

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    Unless you are an AFAS member (Automotive Fine Art Society), under $100 should be your price point. Higher prices can be asked of prints if they
    are signed by both the artist and perhaps a driver of some significance (Schumi, Mario, Kimi, etc.). Of course, getting any of these individuals
    to do this would take a great bit of effort and expense.

    The print market has changed over the last few years also. Many limited edition prints do not retain the value that they once did (nothing does).
    I assume that you are looking at digital printing since it is more cost effective and can give you an image very close to the original. I have found
    that limiting the edition to 250 or less and pricing the prints at no more than $100 works well to start. Remember, if they do well, you can always
    raise the price.

    16x20 and 18x24 are good standard sizes, and this is important because a ready-made frame can be purchased instead of having to go the route
    of custom framing. Hope this helps. If you need any more info, feel free to PM me.

    Adrian
     
  4. tazandjan

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    I would rather have one original than 100 prints.

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  5. CollectorMorry

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    Forget about "investment" issues like the size of the edition and buy what you like. Art is meant to be enjoyed. Check out http://www.collectorstudio.com/limited.htm for hundreds of prints and painting choices in all price ranges.

    Morry
     
  6. lmunz22

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    I was about to mention you Morry...
     
  7. HotShoe

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    Thanks guys!

    Who wouldn't prefer an original? The problem is the original is considerably more money and not an option to a lot of people. Up until now that is all I have sold but it would be nice to offer prints as a more economical solution. In my experience very few people are into purchasing original art. This of course, limits my options. I'll still have originals but I thought it made more business sense to cover a broader gamut.

    I ask these questions as someone who wants to produce not purchase. Just trying to see what the market prefers before I run off thousands of giclees . I try to get an answer at shows put there never is a consensus either way. I figure prints will get a lot more exposure because I can hopefully have them in multiple galleries. Do you take on new artists Collector Studio?
     
  8. f308jack

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    Sorry to jump on your wagon, but that's extactly where I'm at too.
     
  9. venusone

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    I have a few really nice signed pieces from Jay Koka & Charles Maher. I paid quite a bit for Koka's "Millennium GTO" signed artist proof. "Limited" is REALLY relative but usually 250-500 lithos. After a limited edition is sold out you may be able to get an artist proof. All are signed & numbered & on quality paper, etc. The signing is the best part if you ask me. Between $250 & $1,000 is fair for any kind of signed print & will cover the range depending on artist. Signed posters may run around $100. Be prepared to spend several thousand for any original painting.
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  10. venusone

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    Oops. I see you are the artist? All the pricing depends on how good you are & professional history. Let's see your work already.
    If you have never had gallery shows, publications, commissioned fine art pieces, etc. you will need to start at the bottom. Once you have art in Road & Track you can move up. Post some of your work – I’d love to see it.
     
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  12. HotShoe

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    Can we Post our art here?

    I was going to put some in this thread but I haven't because I assumed it was against forum policy. It would be promoting my business in a sense so I figured I error on the side of caution.
     
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    Nice work. I really like the first one.
     
  14. f308jack

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    Thanks!

    I'll have to try and take some better pics - soon.
     
  15. ferrariartist

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    Great work!
    Nice job with the grill on the Lusso.

    Look forward to seeing more of your stuff.

    GT
     
  16. Barb

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    In response to your question. I am a marketing director for a gentleman who photographs cars, and have also spent many years working in the art industry prior. I can tell you from my art gallery experience that limited and unlimited editions both sell. It totally depends on the buyer. An art collector will value a limited edition and also wants the lowest number possible as they are more valuable of course. However here is the thing that most folks don't understand. Say you have an 16x24 pencil sketch of a ferrari... and you have decided to do an limited edition of 250. What that really means to the consumer is that of the 16x24 pencil sketch you have limited yourself to being able to print 250 copies. However, you can change the size of that same print to11x14 and now print another 250 numbered limited editions and start all over. You could further go on to print postcards and sign them and call that a limited edition of the same pencil sketch. A true art collector wants the original. And since they are willing to pay a hefty price for it they do not want any prints made of course. You can also change the medium and start a limited edition all over. In my humble opinion it is the original that is of the most value of course. In the digital photography age however one begins to wonder what is real and what has been enhanced or photoshopped... With Jim Arnieri's photographs however they are still traditional 35mm and none of the photographs have been digitally enhanced or remastered in any way, shape or form. I also feel that once you set a price it is not correct to then raise the price of a art item. Especially once you produce a website or begin advertising in magazines... you can lower a price but once you hit the worldwide web unless you become incredibly famous raising the price is not kosher to me anyway.
     
  17. f308jack

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    There are of course numerous examples of art being milked like that, but as an artist you lose your integrity and your work becomes discount-basket matter.
    As for selling originals: All fine once you have made a name for yourself, and parting with an original rewards you with a sum that is relevant to what was put into the work or better. The reality though is, that I have seen a lot of fine work going for prices that would barely cover the materials.
    I have parted with originals in the past, and they are gone gone gone. I often regretted it.
     
  18. VisualHomage

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    actually the more reproduced the art is, sold as merchandise, the more valuable the original becomes. Integrity skyrockets. In my opinion, there is no such thing as fine art either. That is fodder for college lectures. The second you sell it you have gone commercial. Dali or Rembrandt, Monet are not fine art pieces. They were commercial then and now.
     
  19. HotShoe

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    All great points!

    Up to this point I've only sold originals but currently they are harder to move given the economy. Unfortunately all the originals I've sold already can't be reproduced so I'm building a new body of work with prints in mind. I'm going to try to have a broad spectrum of originals and prints available but I've noticed at shows lately the prints are the hot ticket. I have the equipment and resources to make giclees so why not?

    Barb, do you rep artists as well or know anyone to recommend that does?

    I'm updating my site as I type this but you can see some of my work at www.hotshoestudios.com
     
  20. branko

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    Hotshoe, I like your work, especially, 'Moment of Truth'. Your craftsmanship is excellent. One thing you might include in the future, is the size of the work. This can also be done by including something familiar in one or two of your photos, (person or hand).
     
  21. BigTex

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    Dincenzo does very nice work also...I am proud to have two of his pieces.

    How you feeling these days pardner?

    My Jay Koka's are signed artist's proofs, as Karen says, they are remarked, signed and numbered......

    To OP we do have rules about commercial posts but as long as you stay within guidelines...when you don't, the thread disappears.
     
  22. Dincenzo

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  23. venusone

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    Which Kokas do you have? His is some of the best Ferrari art out there IMO!
     
  24. venusone

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    Just post it. Not as for sale, but for review. I'll tell you like it is. Honest critique by a pro artist.
     
  25. BigTex

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    Letsee, I threw them all into the closet after the divorce, save one...his '33oLMB' hangs over my bed.

    I have the yellow 250LM, the piece he did for NART of the Daytona Comp...oh yea, "Unfinished Business" of the 250TR...I can't remember what else, all framed...what were the ones that have the roof reflection pattern over them?

    I better drag them out of the closet, and check for mildew.......

    I have given up, on ever hanging them again..when I die ya'll come drag them out from under the bed......
     

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