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  1. gcmerak

    gcmerak Formula 3

    Mar 17, 2008
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    + 10 on that! I don't even waste my time with paint catalyzed/not catalyzed [you know the drill, color /reducer /hardener/respirator...what a pain] anymore. Powder coat is the way to go, in another words read - bullet proof. Not only crinkled, but textured as well. The textured powder coat is like an ultra fine crinkle finish. Clean the part first, finish off with denatured alcohol, preheat [esp if it is aluminum], powder coat, stick it in the oven, bake, and you are good for at least the next 70 years. It is hard to mess it up even if you try. If you decide you want to go wild ie. black with a copper vein or translucent purple, then strip it with a heavy duty paint stripper and redo it. A nice used oven can be bought for $25 [with this economy you might find one for free] do some rewiring in the garage and you are set.

    Ciao,
    George
     
  2. Verell

    Verell F1 Veteran
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    May 5, 2001
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    VHT wrinkle is a self-etching,self-priming paint. IF you use it over a primer there's a good chance it will peel off in a couple of years(been there, w/the old chromate based Dupont Variprime).

    Somewhere in the old fchat I reported this when my black VHT peeled, I called VHT & got their tech support guy. He made it very clear that no primer was necessary, just a clean surface, & yes, a bit of texture won't hurt.
     
  3. Corsa308

    Corsa308 Formula Junior

    Apr 22, 2007
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    Yep, i've used the VHT also.
    Works very well.
    BUT, make sure you read the instructions as it is not normal paint.
    The drying time effects the amount of wrinkle and you can heat cure it to adjust the amount of wrinkle you want.
    Maybe try the painting process on a bit of junk aluminium beforehand to see how you go.
    Also it dries very slowly and again as the directions say, don't touch it for 5 days to allow for a full cure.
    But, do it as it is easy and rewarding.
     
  4. F&M racing

    F&M racing Formula Junior

    Feb 26, 2006
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    Mine look like yours close up. Their stunning in the car.
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

    Sep 25, 2006
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    :D

    There's got to be more to that story than you said...... What happened? ;)
     
  6. Toxic

    Toxic Rookie

    Jun 8, 2005
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    You can send them to me to have done, but I'm in the states :( I'll check some forums on on and see if I can find someone in Ireland/GB for you.
     
  7. jonathan.mccall

    jonathan.mccall Karting

    Jan 25, 2008
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    Cheers mate! Pitty you didn't live closer. If you do find someone closer! sure please let me know!!!
     
  8. tomoshea

    tomoshea Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2003
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    #33 tomoshea, Feb 26, 2009
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    Johnny,

    Lots of pretenders over here, if you have found someone that has worked on these in the past stick with them, Mr Irvine wont have used a muppet to do his work and you won't get much better than £30 and hour anywhere in Ireland.

    I actually do most of the work myself as I was somehow genetically prepositioned to be able to do this work without any training. I think I picked most of it up from my old man as I grew up. In reality of you are anyway mechanically minded and take a bit of time you can do most of it yourself. There is lots of mystique about Ferrari ...... reality they a very simple engine.

    I believe that there is a subgroup of FOC UK in Ireland, I haven't bothered to join.. In my experience there are 2 types of Ferrari Owners in Ireland...... Those that understand it......... and those that look at the car as a status symbol....... with zero understanding. Unfortunately down south the majority fall into the second category .....

    There is an Italian Car Owners club, which I will join when I get mine back on the road, current state is captured in the pictures below. I will forward details when I dig them up.

    Hope to have the car back on the the road in a couple of months, will PM you if dropping by. If you have any questions PM me and I will forward my phone number.

    Air box in black crinkle below.

    Hoses from www.superformance.co.uk
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  9. raptr

    raptr Karting

    Jan 22, 2007
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    In case you have yet to finish your project--some info.I have used several types of wrinkle paints over the years.I checked my shelf and currently have VHT,Krylon and PlastiKote wrinkle paints.All of which still produce the paints as far as I know.The Plastikote and the Krylon I know I bought within the last 2 or 3 months.

    I have used black and red of VHT and Krylon but I have never compared the red to the Ferrari color.I still have a couple cases of VHT grey,but it is not a very attractive grey and it is nowhere near,say,the color of the TR intake wrinkle.

    I use heat lamps and hot plates when I wrinkle.Resting a cam cover(or whatever)on the hot plate works very well,sometimes I have to suspend the part above the plate.An oven would certainly be the ideal solution,but hard to get away with!

    -Goodluck with your project.
    -raptr
     
  10. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    I've done both wrinkle and VHT over the years. It's a bit of an art learning how to apply it. That's especially true if your trying to hide ugly castings like heads on some of the early Maserati V8s.
    You can vary the thickness of the coat and amount of heat to achieve finer or larger wrinkles. Almost like one of those chinese dogs with the very wrinkled skin, a charpee?
    With powder coating you can't do that if you hand the part off to a vendor and rough castings are probably going to end up looking like sh*t under a thin powder coat.
    Also, be very careful about who and how they prep your valve covers. If they beadblast the cra*p out of them and leave the internal areas exposed you may end up with contamination.

    I saw someone say they had trouble touching up wrinkle paint. If your talking about black that's just silly. It's very easy but it's not Pebble Beach quality. Get the area clean, warm the engine up and apply the touchup with a brush. It wrinkles right up. I do it on my Espada (black) all the time. I've done red too but VHT red changes color over the years so it's harder. With powder I think your screwed and yes powder will chip and scratch.

    Bob S.
     
  11. peterp

    peterp F1 Veteran

    Aug 31, 2002
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    One place where the VHT red is clearly incorrect is on the intake plenum of a 3.2 motor (328/Mondial 3.2). The original color has an orange tint to it. The VHT red is fairly far off from original but it actually looks much better than the original color. So many have repainted with VHT/Krylon wrinkle that I once received points off for the "incorrect" color when mine had its original paint. I've never really compared side by side, but I think that red/orange plenum color is somewhat unique to the 3.2 -- I think the TR engine, for example, is much more of a pure red and I'm guessing VHT would be a pretty good match.
     
  12. Terry

    Terry Formula Junior

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    #37 Terry, Feb 28, 2009
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  13. F&M racing

    F&M racing Formula Junior

    Feb 26, 2006
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    They did a great job, the people I use here in the States are equally as good. Powercoating is the only way to go.
     
  14. FandLcars

    FandLcars F1 Rookie

    Aug 6, 2006
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    Beautiful, Terry! Mine were more glossy than I wanted, but the was only one finish available. Yours look more flat, which is what I wanted.
     
  15. Toxic

    Toxic Rookie

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    They did a very nice job. Looks though your fuel rail could have used some coating as well.



    Jonathon dropped you a PM.
     
  16. jonathan.mccall

    jonathan.mccall Karting

    Jan 25, 2008
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    That finish is Mega!
    Think il be giving Redditch a call!
    My Mondial is going for an oil leak repair on Mon the 9th march, if its more than the oil seal which i hope it just is. I will be getting Cam covers and Belt covers PLASTIC COATED
     
  17. st@ven

    st@ven F1 Rookie

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    #42 st@ven, Mar 1, 2009
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