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Massa....Brawn runs away with title by June

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Couldn't disagree more.

    F1 has always changed its rules since 1950. Often for reasons of safety (to slow the cars or allow/disallow certain elements) but just as often for what I call the entertainment factor: We want to see entertaining races and you don't see that if one team just dominates or no passing is possible. That has worked for and against Ferrari as well as for and against other teams. It is par for the course. And it is definitely not something new that Bernie came up with.
     
  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Well lets look at how frequently the rules have been changed in the last 10 years, lets then look at the tracks, new tracks deviod of any character, Spa is hanging on by the thread, so is Monza, no Imola but instead we have tracks like Velencia and Singapore, night racing, with respect none of these things are anything more than commericial milking of the sport.

    I guess we agree to disagree! :)
     
  3. tifosi12

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    You were talking about rules changes in your first post.

    Track changes and venue changes is a different story. Yes, those happened for purely commercial reasons and I agree with you that many of those are plain lame and stupid.

    Having said that, I'm no fan of Monza (boring as hell for the spectators), I'm no fan of the lack of logistics in Spa (which is why I haven't been there during a race) and I'm a big fan of city courses, where you can walk to the track (as I will do this year in Valencia).

    So yes, the track changes were done for commercial reasons. But that's merely because the sport is maturing in a time of global commercialization. And part of it is also because the EU was stupid enough to ban tobacco advertisment, which drove F1 out of Europe and into Asia.

    The positive way to look at it is, that F1 is a global sport and a true World championship fought all over the globe (except North America and your South Africa, which is a shame). Unlike e.g. many US sports, which claim to be "World" and have mostly teams from the US only. ;)
     
  4. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    You need to figure out how to distinguish between the terms 'candid' and 'controversial'.

    GOOD.
    It's no different whatsoever from a few years ago when Ferrari with MS would basically have the championship sewn up by halfway...
    NICE to see someone new at the top. NICE to see a BUNCH of new folks at the top.

    I won't disagree with that, but let's agree on one thing: this is more business than sport, today more than ever, and if you can't either bring money with you or attract money to the team, you don't race. Period. In ANY series.

    This is the first race I have watched in maybe 5 years, I loved it.
    Of course, my F1tipping is in the tank for this race...
     
  5. ricksb

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    That is precisely the point. Formula 1 is as political as it is competitive. Massa is an emotional guy and all, but he is also (realistically) the lead driver for Ferrari. Not saying what he's doing is wrong, bad or otherwise, just agree that people are taking his comments perhaps too much on face value.
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    LOL love it.....^ straight talking: "Where you been Kimi ?" "I was taking a sh*t".. that's candid!

    The Mighty Massa has spoken it must be right....err yeh ok :rolleyes:
     
  7. PSk

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    Agree.

    Typical response to Ferrari getting their butt whipped ... ie: cause drama and run to Mummy. The Brawn team did not win by as bigger margin as the FIA team, oops I mean Ferrari team, have in the past.

    I actually enjoyed some of this race, which I watched as my father is visiting ... I was hoping that now that Todt is no longer involved in the Ferrari team some honour would return, obviously I was wrong.
    Pete
    ps: Hoping for another dismal Ferrari and LH season :)
     
  8. jmlinmn

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    IF the Brawn / Williams / Toyota diffusers adhere to the rules as written, then their diffusers better not be banned. I loved seeing Brawn do well. I thought Vettel had a great race despite being without the superior diffuser. That red bull car he's got may be some serious business this year if it gets a redesigned diffuser.
     
  9. 355

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    You wont get me to admit to any conspiracy theory. ;)
     
  10. 355

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    There were times even when Button looked like he backed off quite a bit. I think we will see a ruling on the defuser that wont favour Brawn much.
     
  11. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Speed TV said they actually adhere to the rules. The complain is that they are not "in the spirit of the rules", which is a very grey area.

    That said the mass damper that Renault came up with also didn't really violate any rules (although the FIA said so), but was clearly against the spirit of the rules. A similar argument was made against the vacuum cleaner Brabham from Bernie's team decades ago.

    We're on a slippery slope.
     

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