Re-post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238605
The VIN listed uses some variation of 3593 - I wonder how the current owner of that chassis (if there is one) feels about this.
There is one. It now sits under a 250 SWB Berlinetta "recreation." Threads merged. Well, you would begin by buying a 250 GTE that had body damage because the body panels are all that's here. There's really nothing here to be rescued.
I am interested in any information pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP CITATIONS AND REFERENCES kare said: "photos of the body after these parts were cut out" EXHIBIT A barchetta 250 GTE s/n 3593GT < In Ordner anzeigen Erstellungsdatum: 29.09.2011 18:13 Dateien vom 29.09.2011 Stichworte: 3593GT - Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2 Dateinummer: 1835397 Bildgröße: 640 x 480 Dateigröße: 49kb Einfügedatum: 29.09.2011 18:13 Dateien vom 29.09.2011 https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/Automobiles/-/Ferrari/02-13579-odd-numbers-Street-Cars/001S-9099/3001GT-3999GT/3501GT-3599GT/3593GT-250-GTE/?v=a&dir=2011350&rd=1964537&i=1835397 EXHIBIT B barchetta 250 GTE s/n 3593GT < In Ordner anzeigen Erstellungsdatum: 29.09.2011 18:13 Dateien vom 29.09.2011 Stichworte: 3593GT - Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2 Dateinummer: 1835398 Bildgröße: 640 x 480 Dateigröße: 65kb Einfügedatum: 29.09.2011 18:13 Dateien vom 29.09.2011 Teilen https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/Automobiles/-/Ferrari/02-13579-odd-numbers-Street-Cars/001S-9099/3001GT-3999GT/3501GT-3599GT/3593GT-250-GTE/?v=a&dir=2011350&rd=1964537&i=1835398
Back in 2011 Michael Sheehan had offered a different car, 0373 GT. He noted that in 1995, while that other car was owned by Joe W. Moch, it was being worked on by Terry Myr and Kleeves Company. Their records show that for their project, the Ferrari 250 GTE S/N 3593 was purchased and its engine and differential were installed into 0373 GT. Then, in 2002 the frame of 3593 was auctioning off via eBay. If I recall correctly, L. Wayne Ausbrooks reported it having been used for a 250 SWB Berlinetta recreation. In 2009 a VSCDA race car incorporating small portions of the (supposedly) 3593 body, mainly partial front and rear clips, were being auctioned on eBay. In January 2018 it sounds as you are reporting that an engine stamped 3593 has surfaced in the hands of the 1995 owner. In the spirit of learning from our combined knowledge, maybe you can now step in and contribute whatever factual/verifiable information that you have with respect to that engine that has surfaced - starting with a photo of the numero interno?
To whom it may concern; / Frank_Ford Thanks for the courtesy of your response to a REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFQ) pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody, also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP. I regret to inform you of ERRORS in your previous correspondence: "In January 2018 it sounds as you are reporting that an engine stamped 3593 has surfaced (NOTE: ERROR follows) in the hands of the 1995 owner." "In the spirit of learning from our combined knowledge", I would be pleased to discuss "factual/verifiable information" with the owners of 0373GT and 3593GT. RSVP, owners of 0373GT and 3593GT. FURTHER READING U.S. Attorneys » Resources » U.S. Attorneys' Manual » Criminal Resource Manual » CRM 1000-1499 » Criminal Resource Manual 1301-1399 1363. Anti-Fencing Measures U.S. Attorneys » Resources » U.S. Attorneys' Manual » Criminal Resource Manual » CRM 1000-1499 » Criminal Resource Manual 1301-1399 1364. Altering Or Removing Motor Vehicle Identification Numbers U.S. Attorneys » Resources » U.S. Attorneys' Manual » Criminal Resource Manual » CRM 1000-1499 » Criminal Resource Manual 1301-1399 1365. Forfeiture Of Certain Motor Vehicles And Motor Vehicle Parts
I saw this car run at an Alfa Club track day at Grattan Raceway probably around 15 years ago. For what it's worth the car was incredibly fast
To whom it may concern; / Frank_Ford Rookie Thanks for the courtesy of your response, (January 9, 2018, at 2:29PM )to a REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFQ) pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody, also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP, and for your statement, as follows: "In the spirit of learning from our combined knowledge, maybe you can now step in and contribute whatever factual/verifiable information that you have with respect to that engine that has surfaced . . .". Please find a RESPONSE to your invitation to " now step in and contribute whatever factual/verifiable information", enclosed below. Thanks again for your interest in my independent research into Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT. Yours sincerely, / ON THERMONUCLEAR WAR attachments Vehicle Number/On-Road Equipment Inspection Form (TR-54) HTML enclosure CITATIONS AND REFERENCES ANNEX I URL: http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1585_1587_1588-25476--,00.html Assembled Vehicles Some owners want to know how they can title and register an assembled vehicle. An assembled vehicle is: 1. One built (assembled) from new or used materials and parts by someone not recognized as a manufacturer (usually an individual). Example: homemade vehicle. 2. One altered or modified to the extent that it no longer reflects its original manufacturer configuration. Example: a Volkswagen made into a dune buggy. 3. One which has had its body replaced with that from another vehicle. Example: pickup truck has its cab replaced. 4. One assembled from a kit (often called "kit cars"), even if a Manufacturers Certificate of Origin is provided. Procedure to title an assembled vehicle: 1. You will need ownership documents for all vehicles or major component parts used in assembling the vehicle. This includes: Titles Assigned ownership documents (example: Release of Abandoned Vehicle notice from police department) Original bills of sale The following parts must be accounted for in the ownership documents presented: Motor Vehicle Engine, Transmission, Body Parts (doors, front and rear clips), Frame including axles. Motorcycle Engine, Frame, Front end assembly including the fork, Wheels, Seat Titled Trailer or Trailer Coach Running Gear (frame axle and wheels) 2. You will also be asked to complete a certification statement summarizing the building of the vehicle. It should include: A description of the vehicle and its parts, Who assembled the vehicle, When and where it was assembled or reconstructed, Any special information about the vehicle to assist the investigator. 3. A Vehicle Number/On-Road Equipment Inspection (form TR-54) completed by a MI police officer must be submitted. The inspection will verify the vehicle has all equipment required for on-road registration. 4. All assembled vehicles require a state-assigned vehicle identification number (VIN). There is a $10 fee for this. 5. When you apply for your assembled vehicle title, tax is due on all parts unless paid at time of purchase. 6. A license plate or 30-day or 60-day temporary permit cannot be sold until the Department's Regulatory Monitoring Division places the assigned VIN sticker on the vehicle and releases the new title to the owner. The Regulatory Monitoring Division will contact you for an appointment, usually at a local State Police Post or Secretary of State branch office. Related Documents Instructions for Titling an Assembled Vehicle (BFS-72) PDF icon Vehicle Number/On-Road Equipment Inspection Form (TR-54) HTML icon ANNEX II URL: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/TR-54_38480_7.pdf MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF STATE VEHICLE NUMBER AND EQUIPMENT INSPECTION For more specific information, consult the Michigan Vehicle Code (MCL. 257.685-686, 257.688-691, 257.697-697b, 257.705-711).
SUBJECT: Ferrari Classiche Certificate of Authenticity To whom it may concern; / Frank_Ford Rookie Thanks again for the courtesy of your response, (January 9, 2018, at 2:29PM) to a REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFQ) pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody, also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP, and for your statement, as follows: "In the spirit of learning from our combined knowledge, maybe you can now step in and contribute whatever factual/verifiable information that you have with respect to that engine that has surfaced . . .". Please find a RESPONSE to your invitation to " now step in and contribute whatever factual/verifiable information", enclosed below. Thanks again for your interest in my independent research into Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT. Yours sincerely, / ON THERMONUCLEAR WAR attachments Vehicle Number/On-Road Equipment Inspection Form (TR-54) HTML enclosure CITATIONS AND REFERENCES http://auto.ferrari.com/en_US/sports-cars-models/past-models/ A UNIQUE SERVICE The essential starting point of the service offered by Ferrari Classiche is the Certificate of Authenticity, only available in Maranello. The Certificate of Authenticity is for all Ferrari road cars over 20 years old and is also available for Ferrari F1, Sportscars and Sport-Prototypes, with no restrictions on the age of the car. This unique service is very important for owners, as only Ferrari Classiche can release an official document confirming the full authenticity of a car. The integrity and absolute uniqueness of the Ferrari archives, where the technical records of all cars produced since 1947 are jealously guarded, means the company is able to unequivocally establish conformity with the original design of any car made in its workshops. The full benefits of the Certificate of Authenticity are manifold: in addition to protecting the priceless heritage of an historic car, the Certificate increases sale value, while giving access to the most prestigious official events organised by the Prancing Horse. CRITERIA OF AUTHENTICITY Only fully functional cars receive the Ferrari Certificate of Authenticity, because to ensure the vehicle’s conformity to the original design – and therefore maximum driving safety – all parts need to be authentic. Chassis, engine, gearbox and transmission, suspension, brakes, wheels and bodywork, interior, everything is rigorously examined by the experts in the Ferrari Classiche workshop. This is a team of specialists par excellence, with deep knowledge of the car because of their extensive experience at Ferrari, possibly also including first hand involvement in the construction of the vehicle under examination. The passion and the mastery of Ferrari Classiche personnel are the very best guarantee for the customer. ANNEX II http://auto.ferrari.com/en_US/sports-cars-models/past-models/ RESTORE THE PRISTINE CONDITION The Classiche certification process includes a technical examination of the originality of the various mechanical components, the determining factor as to the car’s authenticity. Any parts that do not correspond to the original specifications are replaced with spare parts offered by Ferrari and its official partners, to restore the car to its pristine condition. The service is not limited to the most common spare parts. If necessary Ferrari Classiche can create castings identical to the originals and also provide structural parts. With the help of strict quality controls and the ability to identify the design of all models in the historical archives, a classic car will maintain the same performance and level of safety. RESTORATION The restoration of a historic Ferrari is a complex operation that can only be performed at Maranello and, soon, at the company’s new Classiche Workshops. The complexity arises from a very particular design philosophy. Since the early days Ferrari has cut no corners in designing a car’s components in order to achieve performance excellence. By virtue of this approach, the mechanical parts have always benefited from cutting-edge designs and futuristic solutions, just as the engine and body have always been built with special materials.
>> RSVP, owners of 0373GT and 3593GT << Andrew, the owners of 0373GT are known, and the person behind the 3593 bodied road race car (and its, ehem, final "disposition") are also known. However, for those in the known, your introduction doesn't make clear what your personal interest is in those cars - so you offer nothing to motivate any action. You did mention possibly knowing of an engine stamped 3593. But you didn't state your role with respect to that engine: are you the owner/seller, have you been formally tasked by the owner - and if so in what role, etc. Without stating your interest and role, people have little reason to be in communication with someone who might not even be authorized to speak on behalf of the engine's owner. Next, your messages cite various legislation, but why would the owner of 0373GT, or the 3593 chassis, or the 3593 body parts and pieces, care that you have come across some 250 GTE engine (or that you have discovered how to copy and paste links and content from various web sites?) For all I know, you may have a very legitimate concern - and the best way to engage the membership of this forum is by being forthcoming with your own role and facts, and THEN you'll find that people will be happy to fill in the gaps.
To whom it may concern; / Frank_Ford Rookie Thanks again for the courtesy of your response, (January 9, 2018, after 2:00 PM) to a REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFQ) pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody, also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP, and for your statement, as follows: "your messages cite various legislation . . . For all I know, you may have a very legitimate concern - and the best way to engage the membership of this forum is by being forthcoming with your own role and facts, and THEN you'll find that people will be happy to fill in the gaps.". FOR YOUR INFORMATION 1363. Anti-Fencing Measures Motor vehicle theft related anti-fencing provisions are set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 511 (altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers, 18 U.S.C. § 512 (forfeiture of certain motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts), 18 U.S.C. § 2313 (sale or receipt of stolen vehicles), 18 U.S.C. § 2321 (trafficking in certain motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts), and 18 U.S.C. § 2322 (chop shops). [cited in USAM 9-61.700] FURTHER READING The United States Code is a consolidation and codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States. It is prepared by the Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the United States House of Representatives. NOW, THEREFORE, Frank_Ford Rookie, please STAND DOWN; or STAND UP if you are engaged in "altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers" or "trafficking in certain motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts". Thanks again for your interest in my independent research into Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT. RSVP, owners of 0373GT and 3593GT Yours sincerely, / ON THERMONUCLEAR WAR
On Wed, 1/10/18, [edited] wrote: "Hi Andrew, Yes, the tax troubles of Myr are well known and the case records are available online". MESSAGE FOLLOWS: 18 U.S. Code § 3 - Accessory after the fact US Code Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact. Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99–646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101–647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.) EXHIBIT A 3593GT 62 Ferrari 250 GTE Date Result Event Driver # Reference 90s/mid - Joseph W. Moch, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA. Parted by Terry Myr; engine and differential installed into 0373GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3593GT.250GTE.htm EXHIBIT B 0373GT 93 - Joseph W. Moch, Grand Rapids, MI, USA 94 .- extensively restored by Terry Myr in Smiths Creek, Michigan and Kleeves Company in Kimball, Michigan for vintage racing and rally events. For the project, Ferrari 250 GTE S/N 3593GT was purchased and the engine and differential were installed into 0373GT. http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0373GT.250EuropaGT.htm ANNEX I U.S. v. MYR Case No. 14-20633. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff, v. TERRY A. MYR, Defendant. United States District Court, E.D. Michigan, Southern Division. August 26, 2015. Attorney(s) appearing for the Case Terry Myr, Defendant, represented by Lowell H. Becraft, Jr. . United States of America, Plaintiff, represented by Tiwana L Wright , Department of Justice, Kenneth C. Vert , Department of Justice & Ross I. MacKenzie , U.S. Attorney's Office. OPINION AND ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR NEW TRIAL [35] NANCY G. EDMUNDS, District Judge. On April 29, 2015, following a jury trial that began on April 22, 2015, Defendant Terry Myr ("Defendant") was found guilty of tax evasion pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 7201 (Count 1). In addition, Defendant was convicted of willful failure to file pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 7203 for each year 2007 through 2010. (Counts 2 through 5 respectively). Currently before the Court is Defendant's motion seeking a new trial under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 33.1 Specifically, Defendant argues that the Court should have admitted at trial a civil complaint filed by the Department of Justice seeking a permanent injunction against the business and individual who prepared a tax return that was evidence in the trial. For the reasons stated more fully below and on the April 27, 2015 trial record, the Court denies Defendant's motion. I. Background Defendant is a self-employed automotive mechanic who specializes in exotic foreign cars. From approximately 1998 though 2001, Defendant filed individual tax returns. The IRS audited his 2000 and 2001 returns. Defendant directed a certified public accountant to prepare his 2002 and 2003 individual income tax returns, but did not file these returns. In November 2005, the IRS assessed Defendant approximately $195,163 in taxes, interest and penalties for years 2000 through 2003. Defendant neither paid nor filed another federal income tax return. In May 2007 the IRS issued a Notice of Federal Tax Lien against Defendant's property. During 2009, Defendant negotiated to sell a rare 1954 Ferrari race car engine for $610,000. Defendant established a corporation called On Track Group, Inc. The engine purchaser wired the funds to On Track Group, Inc.'s bank account. The following year, Defendant filed a 2009 tax return for On Track Group, Inc., which reported only $500,000 in gross receipts, falsely claimed expenses in the amount of $150,000 for employee salaries, falsely claimed a "bad debt" in the amount of $330,174, and reported a loss in the amount of $10,520. The tax preparer was Dr. Denise Miller with Uneek Business Solutions. Although it was not a basis for a charge, this tax return was evidence at trial. Defendant testified that he signed and filed the return without reading it. ANNEX II NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FULL-TEXT PUBLICATION File Name: 16a0574n.06 Case No. 15-2410 UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. TERRY MYR, Defendant-Appellant. ) ON APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN O P I N I O N BEFORE: KEITH, McKEAGUE, and WHITE, Circuit Judges. DAVID W. McKEAGUE, Circuit Judge. Terry Myr, a self-employed auto mechanic with a professed interest in tax-protester theories, was convicted of one count of tax evasion, 26 U.S.C. § 7201, and four counts of willful failure to file individual income tax returns, 26 U.S.C. § 7203. Myr claims that the district court abused its discretion and violated his constitutional rights by excluding from evidence a civil complaint in an unrelated case in which the government accused a tax preparer Myr used of falsifying the returns of other customers. He also claims that the court improperly instructed the jury on the meaning of “proof beyond a reasonable doubt.” We AFFIRM.
Not to hijack the above important discussion, but: RESTORATION The restoration of a historic Ferrari is a complex operation that can only be performed at Maranello and, soon, at the company’s new Classiche Workshops. I'm having trouble swallowing this statement with a straight face....
To whom it may concern; / docdozer Thanks for the courtesy of your response, (8:44 PM, January 10, 2018), in LMFAO!!! Anyone need a vintage ferrari--CHEAP!! Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by crmlcruiser, Apr 5, 2009 to a REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFQ) pertaining to Ferrari 250 GTE 2+2\#3593GT SWB rebody, also known as RARE VINTAGE 1960 FERRARI 250 GT RACE CAR 650 HP; and, thanks for your comments: RESTORATION The restoration of a historic Ferrari is a complex operation that can only be performed at Maranello and, soon, at the company’s new Classiche Workshops. "I'm having trouble swallowing this statement with a straight face...." RESPONSE I believe the RESEARCH QUESTION for Ferrari 250 GTE 3593GT and 0373GT pertains to the "complex operation that can only be performed" by Terry Myr in Smiths Creek, Michigan and Kleeves Company in Kimball, Michigan CITE U.S. v. MYR Case No. 14-20633. View Case Cited Cases UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff, v. TERRY A. MYR, Defendant. United States District Court, E.D. Michigan, Southern Division. August 26, 2015. Attorney(s) appearing for the Case Terry Myr, Defendant, represented by Lowell H. Becraft, Jr. . United States of America, Plaintiff, represented by Tiwana L Wright , Department of Justice, Kenneth C. Vert , Department of Justice & Ross I. MacKenzie , U.S. Attorney's Office. OPINION AND ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR NEW TRIAL [35] NANCY G. EDMUNDS, District Judge. For the reasons stated more fully below and on the April 27, 2015 trial record, the Court denies Defendant's motion. I. Background Defendant is a self-employed automotive mechanic who specializes in exotic foreign cars. From approximately 1998 though 2001, Defendant filed individual tax returns. The IRS audited his 2000 and 2001 returns. Defendant directed a certified public accountant to prepare his 2002 and 2003 individual income tax returns, but did not file these returns. In November 2005, the IRS assessed Defendant approximately $195,163 in taxes, interest and penalties for years 2000 through 2003. Defendant neither paid nor filed another federal income tax return. In May 2007 the IRS issued a Notice of Federal Tax Lien against Defendant's property. During 2009, Defendant negotiated to sell a rare 1954 Ferrari race car engine for $610,000. Defendant established a corporation called On Track Group, Inc. The engine purchaser wired the funds to On Track Group, Inc.'s bank account. EXHIBIT A 3593GT 62 Ferrari 250 GTE Date Result Event Driver # Reference 90s/mid - Joseph W. Moch, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA. Parted by Terry Myr; engine and differential installed into 0373GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3593GT.250GTE.htm EXHIBIT B 0373GT 93 - Joseph W. Moch, Grand Rapids, MI, USA 94 .- extensively restored by Terry Myr in Smiths Creek, Michigan and Kleeves Company in Kimball, Michigan for vintage racing and rally events. For the project, Ferrari 250 GTE S/N 3593GT was purchased and the engine and differential were installed into 0373GT. http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0373GT.250EuropaGT.htm EXHIBIT C Engine # 0373 (not original stamping) - Num. interno #678 E (mid-model GTE) https://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/cardetail.php?reqcardir=FE-250EUGT-0373 ©1999 - 2018 Michael W. Sheehan - All rights reserved FOR YOUR INFORMATION --- On Wed, 1/10/18, [edited] wrote: For what it's worth, I obviously know which two cars Joe Moch had considered to supply the engine for 0373, and which cars Terry Myr had inspected for him, before Moch settled on #3593. I also know from whom Moch then purchased that car. I do know about the rebuilt performed by Myr with respect to the 6-carb setup and SEFAC-type heads of the engine, etc. And of course, I know who ended up purchasing the remaining parts of #3593 - so the "passage" of that car from owners prior to Moch and subsequent to Moch are no secret. Furthermore, there are also pictures of the engine used in 0373, showing its № Int. - as well as what the stamping looks like now. So if ever there is a party that can demonstrate legitimate interest there is a good chance that by collaborating, progress could be made in reconciling any possible discrepancies. Best Regards, Andy / Andy [edited] East Crescent Avenue, [edited] Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458 Phone: +1 201 934-[edited] (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-[edited] FURTHER READING REFERENCE $23M Ferrari Breadvan Crashes But Keeps Racing, $7.5M Cobra Hits Barrier at Goodwood 13 Sep 2015, 10:09 UTC · by Andrei Tutu/ Home / News / U-turn "The short wheelbase Breadvan is one of those Le Mans stories born out of the events generated by Enzo Ferrari's effervescent character. And while the French media called it La Camionnette (the little truck), neither this nor the Breadvan designation given by the international media told the real story of the car, which was more of an apple of discord. At the time when the Breadvan showed up (1962), Ferrari has just moved on from the 250 GT SWB to the 250 GTO SWB racecar. However, Enzo refused to sell any GTOs to Count Giovanni Volpi, so the man commissioned the Breadvan, which was based on a 250 GT SWB. The refusal came after the Count had hired ousted Ferrari employees, with the story turning into a quest to smash Enzo on the track using a new team (and car company). With great engineering and design effort having been put into the creation of the Breadvan, the result turned out to be faster than Ferrari's 250 GTO, even though reliability issues kept it from achieving full glory". REFERENCE Marcel Massini F1 Veteran Honorary Mar 2, 2005 9,871 #8 Aug 27, 2005 billnoon said: Dermit (the auctioneer) bid the car which is Christie's stated and public policy and actually quite common. Some call it "chandelier bidding" etc... I was there in the center four rows back and had four of our staff there in various other sections...Sorry but there was never a real bid. I was next to the owner's long time Louisiana friend and he and those in his group were quite shocked that the 1512 sold and that the owner's other car did not generate the interest Christie's had promissed. Both the sale of the 1512 as well as the Talbot were done on a single and first "real" bid. There were a few otherse but otherwise auction was not very exciting. I think of the lots sold the gross was something just shy of $10M. It is posted on their web site and can be found on this site in another link. Regards, Bill Noon Click to expand... There was NO bidding at all on the Breadvan. What is the Breadvan?? An SWB with a wrong engine and a rebody. Is it worth US$ 3.5 M or more?? Most probably not. The original SWB Berlinetta Scaglietti body of the Breadvan today is on the off-white 250 GT SWB Berlinetta #2439 GT which Bonhams had in Monterey for sale by private treaty (it is still owned by a Swiss collector). Now, one should buy both the off-white SWB 2439 GT AND the Breadvan 2819 GT, then remove the SWB body and put it on the Breadvan chassis 2819 GT and locate the original Breadvan engine 2819 GT, in order to make it a genuine SWB Sefac Hot Rod........... URL: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/how-high-did-bidding-go-for-the-breadvan-christies-monterey.72422/ REFERENCE CERTIFICATION AND RESTORATION Ferrari Classiche was established specifically to provide restoration and maintenance services, technical assistance and Certificates of Authenticity to owners of classic Ferraris. Housed in the former Ferrari foundry, the Classiche offices and workshop, which cover 950 square metres within the Maranello factory, were officially opened by Ferrari President, Luca di Montezemolo, in July 2006. For further information please contact : [email protected]