Kimi throws in the towel for this season

No doubt. All true. But get someone who publicly acts genuinely excited and appreciative to be there. Get someone who'll go the extra mile and has an extraordinary work ethic. There's a lot of history at the Scuderia, and Kimi's personality may just be a bad fit. Don't know for sure. Yes, the car's a problem. But, FM outdrove KR last season. What does that say if they had the same car? KR was LdM's pick, so I think he feels he needs to support his pick come hell or high water. But, there's a point at which the return on investment in KR doesn't justify his compensation any longer. I'd say we're past that point, but my opinion counts for nothing at SpA.

CW

 

It is the old "perception is reality thing". Kimi's biggest "failure" to date is that he is really not interested in managing how he is perceived. But I personally kinda admire him for that. Too many have sold out for financial gain in this feminized world we live in.

Kimi's second biggest failure has to do with Ferrari having a car not suited to his driving style. He needed to be more assertive and aggressive to make that happen. Even if it had meant steamrolling Massa like Schumi did. Especially with Luca backing him, there's no excuse for that. But I also think that Luca has made Ferrari what it is today and he doesn't need to justify his driver decisions or their compensation to anyone. Kimi included.

 

Kimi has been in one of the top cars for most of his career. He has 17 wins in 141 races. He won a WDC in a year that was filled with BS and fixed races to please the fans. You can call him a great driver if you want but the fact point elsewhere. He has choked more times than any Kimi fan cares to remember. Massa has 11 wins in 109 races and has not been in a top car as long as Kimi. They have been in equal machinery for the last 2 years and Massa has more wins. So keep telling me that Kimi is a great driver all you want. He is not and niether is Massa. They are both average drivers. The best drivers on the track in modern day racing that have those special skills that are hard to come by have been MS and now Lewis and possibly Vettel. The rest are average.

Yes you dont have as many wins as Ferrari for no reason BUT you have to look at what has and is happening to see where Ferrari is heading. They did very poorly for about 16 years or so and then along came Mike and the Brawn team. They did amazing stuff with a chunk of lead. They are the reason Ferrari did so well and they are now all gone. Worse than that Brawn is going against Ferrari now. His knowledge compared to what Ferrarii have now is a blowout to say the least.

Getting back to Lewis.....Like I said the head to head wins in the last 2 seasons say a lot. The thing that pisses me off about Kimi is that he shows up when HE feels like it. He drinks and does cocain. Massa takes it all seriously and wears his heart on his sleeve. You and Andreas can say all you want about loving a guy or having a guy that speaks his mind, tells it like it is ....whatever. But deep down you and the rest of us know you would never hire a drunk, drugie or someone who would constantly knock your company. Now you can roll your eyes from the back of your head and look straight ahead and see the light at the end of the tunnel. It dosnt look good for Ferrari but I can say that because I dont work for them. I just know people who did.

 

We'll just agree to disagree concerning Kimi. IMO, your opinions about Kimi are "judging a book by it's cover" and not looking at the whole picture...kinda like saying Massa is a better driver simply because last year he happened to score more points than Kimi.

I guess I just have more faith in Ferrari that they will back to winning again...even without MS, the "god of all F1 gods" driving for them.

 

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Originally Posted by tifosi12
"He isn't." --

Your post from another thread about Felipe and car development and you saying he should be fired along with Kimi. My response. Enjoy

The team develops the car right? Very little time to do so with last year right? So its Felipe's fault? Not even close.

The comments about Felipe fly in the face of reality. He did what last year? He took the reigning WDC and beat him soundly to put it mildly in the same car. Does this sound famaliar? The never ending droning from this board about LH vs Alonso. Felipe had the talent, skill and DETERMINATION and made the car work for him and did what?
-Finish second by 1 point to LH(he wins with no motor failure in Budapest and the team doesnt kill the victory in Singapore), promptly trounced the so called ICEMAN and his pathetic reputation. Has most wins of any driver last year to boot.

-So MS has Felipe on his speed dial on his handy, he defeats Kimi(the reigning WDC in same equipment- remember that about LH and Alonso?) and yesterday takes a crap car he didnt develop well in the off season to 3rd, in the rain(you know he cant drive in rain either, in same car as KIMI) and moves to 3rd, before an electrical problem foils his effort.

Yep he has no talent at all and isnt WDC material. Let me know when you own a team and you have a driver making this effort for you - and you promptly fire him because the experts on Ferrarichat say so. Good luck amigo!

 

That was simply down to pit stops.

Careful there. You'd be hard pressed to show a constant dislike of everything Ferrari from my side. You can scan all my posts and you'll find the same message over and over again: I love Ferrari, I admire and count on LdM, Kimi is my fav driver and I want Massa gone from the team and a new team manager. Hardly a dislike for all things Ferrari. Oh and btw: I run a Ferrari club.

You still don't get it: Criticism doesn't mean disliking the team. If I don't care for a team, I don't even talk about it (e.g. Toyota).

PS: Since you have connections to Italy: What are the newspapers saying at this point? I bet they are condemning Ferrari to Hell. And we know they love the team.

 

points = revenue share ($$$)

 

There is no other sport in the world where the player is so dependent on his equipment as opposed to his own ability. Don't forget, it's not like Kimi is sloughing off. The car is crap. Sure, maybe he can extract that little bit more out of it (as always), but the other drivers are world class as well and their cars are great.

 

Awesome! I like him even more now.

 

Tifosi12,
You obviously know a lot about F1 and Ferrari.
When it comes to Felipe Massa though, your dislike for him clearly gets in the way of reality.

When Massa makes a mistake, you are quick to point it out and to use it as evidence that he is useless.
When Massa performs at the top level though (as he did during the race in Shanghai) you always have some kind of excuse for why the performance really wasn't that good after all.

It seems like you, and many others on here, are convinced that Massa simply can not drive in the rain.
However, this race was in the rain, and his performance was pretty much flawless. If the car would not have let him down, chances are good that Massa would have had a podium this weekend.

Going by the timing date from FIA the following passes were not pit stop related:
Lap 10: Massa passed Kovalainen
Lap 11: Massa passed Heidfeld
Lap 12: Massa passed Hamilton and Raikkonen
Lap 14: Massa passed Trulli

I would say this is hardly "simply down to pit stops".

 

Assuming that "cocain" is hick for cocaine...only way YOU would know it is if you had done it with him. But you haven't done cocaine WITH Kimi. Because if Kimi did cocaine I WOULD know about it. However, I recommend you add some lithium to your pharmaceuticals stash.

 

+1.

Some of you obviously do not understand the complexity involved with making a fast F1 car. For Ferrari to suddenly get over their design fnck up, they would need to design and build a brand new car and have it ready for the next race, or at the very least make considerable and costly changes. Remember 2003 with that god-aweful-car, Ferrari spent squillions trying to sort it out but failed, because I believe the chassis wheel base was too long.

Personally, right this season off, kick the designers butt real hard (also send them to a rule reading course) and get a jump start on next years car. If they keep fncking around with this years piece of **** they will just get further behind for next years one.
Pete

 

More and more, i'm beginning to think that Kimi is just a 1 hit wonder.

 

If the Ferrari was the best car on the grid again, you wouldn't be thinking this would you? Have you forgotten what Kimi has done over the years so quickly? Kimi is awsome, and when he likes the way his car is handling, he's more than a match for Alonso or Hamilton. He is a world champion, he hasn't lost anything, save for a decent car. Let's wait and see if the Ferrari gets any better. The Ice man isn't done yet.

 

The ice-cream man is definitely growing in stature this season.

 

+100!

 

+200. Kimi is doing the best he can with a car that is junk. I have no doubt with a competitive car he'd be right up there fighting for wins. Kimi is still my favorite.

 

Hummm, what do you mean? That car needed a lot of work, but they finally won the season, so it was not a bad deal.

Maybe you meant 2005? I doubt they´ve spent too much money in that car, as they stopped development mid-season. Probably the´ll do the same this year.

 

You are certainly right about the first part.

And you're probably right about the second part as well. My dislike (that's an euphemism) for Massa is so strong that it is really hard for me to try staying objective.

That said, I still can't wait until he is no longer with Ferrari.

 

+1

PS: Would be interesting to know how on earth Franco can make a claim about Kimi doing cocaine.

 

+1. Fact is that Kimi had his time of brilliance way back at McLaren... as of '08 Ferrari Kimi is a shadow of his former self.