Curb Weight: US Super Ferraris, CS and Scuderia

Weight measured with unknown fuel volume

weight assumed 6.85ish lb/ gallon

after weight measured, car is then filled up

Owners manual is consulted to determine maximum fuel capacity

Fill up volume - max capacity = measured volume

subtract measured volume mass from total measured = anticipated empty tank weight

 

So Jim, hypothetically speaking, let's assume that the acceleration/lap times between P4/5 and an Enzo were now equal on the stopwatch. What kind of HP/torque would the latter need to be able match the existing performance of P4/5 ? Another 150-250 HP over stock to match the 400 pound diet ? Or more ? Just curious.....they didn't tell me that at the Holiday Inn Express last night when I asked at the front desk.

 

Oh, you ruined my FUN.



And that's just so boring...

 

I'll guess 50 horses.

 

Bill you're the man

 

Bill S - What a great thread! Thank you for sharing! Enjoy all your wonderful toys in good health.

Napolis - Love the new signature quote. Its so apt. Also, will you be bringing the P4/5 to the Quail again this year? It was nice meeting you last year (albeit briefly), and it was great to hear your cars engine note as you left.


Regarding the F40's book, and the top speed mentioned. Its funny how they write 313km/h max speed, when they claim to be the first to top 200mph (at 201mph). Also, you would think that they could do the conversion from km/h to mph. 313km/h is roughly 195mph and not 171mph. Strange.

 

Very good thread. Good comparison between actual dry weight and with everything accounted for. Keep up the good work Bill.

 

You have to keep in mind the following. P 4/5 has lower drag. .3 vs .34, twice the down force and more balanced down force.
Even though it has a higher rear ratio (Tires) it's .5 second faster to 100KPH due to more tire/traction. It's VMAX is also higher 233mph. It has better turn in (Tires) and better braking due to lower weight which allows you to go much deeper into a turn. It makes slightly more hp due to better induction ceramic exhausts and better engine cooling.

Best

 

Hi

I'll be bring Dino Competizione to Quail this year.

Best

 

wonderful thread.

looking forward to the 288 GTO. it is to me, my favorite Ferrari.

 

Bill:

Per your request, here is what I have dug up.

Page 15 of the owner's manual states "Peso della vettura a vuoto - kg 1160/curb weight 2557 lbs". This is clearly dry weight without any fluids or ancillaries in the car.

I should make the comment at this point that its been the generally accepted rule that the weight stated in the owner's manual is dry weight, and I'm sure you are finding this to be the case.

You already have the info I provided via Elliott showing that both Ferrari SpA and several other independent entities such as USA import shipping agencies and USA compliance agencies have weighed 288 GTOs and they've come in at circa 2,750 lbs with fluids, ancillaries and half-a-tank-of gas. Naturally it will be interesting to weigh a GTO again in contemporary times.

Page 18 of the owner's manual states "Serbatoi carburante 120/fuel tanks 26.4 gals". It then states "Riserva 15/Reserve 3.3 gals". Take that for what its worth, but I assume that you can get almost 30 gallons into its twin tanks.

I think it will be helpful to clarify when the data you are compiling is for USA cars, in the instances that it is. For example, the figure you have for the F40 is for a USA spec car and there is a very significant weight differential (circa 200 lbs) between a USA car and the rest-of-the-world cars what with the USA car's reinforced chassis etc etc. In the case of the 288 GTO, there was essentially only one version and no official USA-spec variant.

 

Almost 30...

 

By the way I should add that the cars I have paperwork for when weighed (shipper's collection orders from LAX, Houston etc plus a compliance agent in Fort Lauderdale) come out at 2750, 2756 and 2695. Clearly I should not state "half-a-tank" of gas because Im not sure about that and the variance suggests differing levels of gas in the tank. Going by the base published 2557 lb dry weight of the car, plus 15 or 30 gals and we get the general idea...

 

Bill great thread and thanks for doing this, looking forward to the Scud weigh-in today, enjoy your cars...............

 

This is an awesome thread. Thanks for posting guys.

 

Definitely a great thread!! Thank you Bill for taking the time to do this test!!

I'm very curious about the F50 and the Scud. I think the F50 might come in below 3000.

 

Kewl.

Does anyone remember how much more the 16M was supposed to weigh than the Scuderia? I heard it's supposed to be only a tenth slower around Fiorano. The hardtop's weight is already very impressive when compared with the Stradale, considering how much fatter cars have seemed to be getting from generation to generation.

 

Awesome thread !!! Will be interesting to see if the CS is the lightest of all cars in your list when it´s finished.

 

Right on the spot with my Scuderia. OMGJON is a stereo delete car so it's 10 lbs lighter than mine, but the trunk tools, manuals and car cover/battery tender bag add 16 lbs.

It would be nice to reference the use of PCCB and CCB by the 997 GT3 RS and F430, these two cars came 40-50 lbs lighter to the data I have from many of them in standard trim. The F430 fuel tank is 25.1 gallons as well. In U.S. trim the F430 is almost 300 lbs heavier than the Scuderia