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Paris 24 June: Mosley vs di Montezemolo..... GO LUCA ! ! !

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  1. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    just read this on Autosport . . .

    The chances of a compromise deal being reached to head off the threat of a Formula 1 breakaway series will become clear in Paris tomorrow, when Max Mosley comes face-to-face with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo at a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council.

    With the teams adamant that the ball is now in the FIA's court to react to the plans of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) to set up its own series, AUTOSPORT understands that the stance adopted by both FOTA chairman di Montezemolo and Mosley in Wednesday's meeting will define where the sport goes from here.

    FOTA is due to meet on Thursday to start pushing the green light on its calendar, regulations and the appointment of media and commercial promoters - showing that it is serious in its intention to press on with the new championship.

    However, there remains the possibility that a deal can be reached to bring the FIA, F1 and the teams back into the same championship - although the governing body will almost certainly need to express its willingness to do so tomorrow.

    One factor is, of course, whether or not FIA president Mosley chooses to stand for re-election in October, or if he sees honour the vow he made last year to stand down when his current term comes to an end.

    Mosley's decision on that front now appears to rest on whether he and members of the FIA perceive that the F1 teams are not launching an all-out attack on the governing body.

    Sources within the WMSC have suggested that their biggest concern at the moment is not the way Mosley has handled the current situation, but that the FIA's authority is being targeted by the teams. That much was made clear in the letter that Mosley sent to the FIA today.

    Should the stance of di Montezemolo in the WMSC hearing convince the members and Mosley that it is not the FIA's authority as such that FOTA wants to change, then that, along with a compromise deal being reached in time, could be enough to encourage Mosley to stand aside in October.

    An all-out assault on the governing body would almost certainly encourage Mosley to stand again.

    What has become clear since the announcement of the breakaway plans on Thursday night is that the teams are not going to go out of their way to get the FIA back around a table to discuss a compromise.

    It is very much up to the FIA to come up with ideas to push forward some sort of deal, which is why the FIA not yet pushed the green light on threatened legal action against Ferrari and FOTA for the breakaway plans. It could do so, however, if the teams' stance is aggressive tomorrow.

    Brawn CEO Nick Fry said at the weekend that all eyes were on the WMSC meeting.

    "The FIA meeting on Wednesday is critical to what happens," he said. "The teams have very clearly stated how they see the future - we have entered the championship with conditions and the question now is whether those conditions will be fulfilled. The ball is in the court of the FIA and we hope that there is a balanced discussion at the world council on Wednesday."

    McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said, however, the teams were wholly focused on what they were up to, rather than waiting for the FIA to act.

    When asked how important he viewed Wednesday's meeting to be, Whitmarsh said: "It is not important to FOTA because our agenda isn't there, our agenda is to work out the way in which we go motor racing in the future. The WMSC meeting is an FIA meeting."

    Whitmarsh reckons also that it was important the FIA and the teams moved on from the 'loony' comments made by Max Mosley at the weekend.

    "I think that is why, certainly for McLaren, we are not saying any of those things and we are not responding to them either," he explained. "I think there is a lot of emotion and ego, and that is one of the issues that perhaps is an impediment to making progress and working together.

    "Hopefully we will keep our egos in check at McLaren and, if all the other parties do that, I hope we can have an environment where we can work together."

    Despite the stand-off by the teams and the FIA, senior figures within the sport remain upbeat that a resolution can be found.

    Former world champion Williams is one of only two current teams that has lodged an unconditional entry to the 2010 championship, but its technical director Sam Michael said he was eyeing some sort of compromise deal.

    "From our point of view we are hopeful there will be some sort of solution where everybody is racing in the same championship," he told AUTOSPORT. "Williams' position is very clear, as we have made clear in the public domain. Hopefully there will be some common sense in the next few days.

    "Ultimately there will be common sense and the teams will all be racing in the same championship. You could also say that we are probably in the best position because we are just busy getting on with what we do, which is making racing cars.

    "Sometimes when you get involved in political situations you can end up getting so wrapped up in it, you can't see the wood for the trees. That's not really happened to Williams because the option wasn't there for us. There wasn't really a choice to make, we were contracted and that was it.

    "It's not like we sat there and said, 'ooh shall we go with this group or that group'. It was absolutely clear, not just by regulation, but contractual law that we had to do what we did."

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    Go Luca, Go FOTA

    wonder who will win??

    Carol
     
  2. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Any one laying odds?
     
  3. jeffashcraft

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    from the sounds from Monaco (they want to participate with a race that includes Ferrari), I am sure they are wagering on it there.
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    In the casino or in the palace? ;)
     
  5. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I fear I keep repeating myself, I stand by my original statement at the start of this.

    Bernie makes Max declare his intention to leave in October, the teams agree to reduce costs and agree Mosley was right in trying to reduce cost's.= (saving face not an outright attack on him)

    But the teams will only race with under the FIA if Max agrees to leave his post, and they have more input into the way the sport is governed, money and power go hand in hand.

    Bernie must sacrifice Max to save his ass, this time I'm sure...

    The only doubt his how deep the corruption runs within the FIA members. all IMHO.
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I think FOTA want him gone, now! - As you've noted (many times ;)) a commitment from him to leave doesn't mean squat. I agree they won't "attack" him in public - They'll come up with something ["Medical reasons" works for me :D]

    +1

    And, I'll say it again - Herein lies the problem - 27 (?) total votes - How many does he own?.....

    I fear he may "win" again, and come out blazing. Which would be good as FOTA support would go from ~90% to ~100% :D

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    New avatar? Official FOTA logo?
     
  8. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I'm right there with you Ian... love the medical reason..LOL

    Max , Tomorrow you may catch some disgusting skin disease Ok! A bath chair and somewhere quiet is being prepared right now :D
     
  9. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes and Yes Mr Dave ... GO FOTA...;)
     
  10. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    A touch of the 24 Hr. Black Plague that's been going around? ;)
     
  11. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Their page: http://www.teamsassociation.org/

    Not "busy", but at least it's there...... They've got an office in Geneva and a logo :)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  12. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks. Where do I buy the hat?
    I see Williams and FI are still listed.
     
  13. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Hehe nasty that ...:)

    True!!
    Quite exciting really ..;)
     
  14. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    Carol
     
  15. bigodino

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    Good idea Steve! :)
     
  16. regaliaconcours

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    So typical of Max to try and convince the FIA that they are now under attack. I hope LDM is( I have no doubts that he is) savy enough to point out to the powers that be within the FIA, that the FIA is in COMPLETE control of their own destiny by how THEY respond to the demands of FOTA. They may not like being put in this position, but because they have allowed this situation(Max) to continue un checked, they now find themselves here. It's simple really, fire Max, give the teams a fair envolvement in the governing process, adopt some of their future regulations, and they will stay, otherwise they will be FORCED by the FIA to leave. Bernie, Max, and the FIA have never seen a more powerful adversary (both monetarily and politacally)as they are facing now with FOTA, and they better get on board real quick and pay close attention to what's happening here. I said in an earlier post, that if the FIA did not respond to this situation satisfactorily to FOTA they could well find themselves in a very bad spot...........maybe even obsolete?
     
  17. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Ha ha nice one Pete..;)
     
  18. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yup ...he must still think Joe public is to thick to see though this constant spewing of BS.
     
  19. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Maxxx:


    "I have decided to leave my post in order to spend more time with my family [of whores in erotic-Nazi drag] and pursue my lifelong hobby [of revitalizing the National Socialist Party], and to devote more energy to the causes that I believe in deeply [such as mental health of the terminally inbred]."
     
  20. thecheddar

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    What's become a full set of monkey-wrenches to this meeting are the fan surveys and online showing of F1 fans: MASSIVE support for FOTA in every corner of the world.

    All of the fan support in market research (over 90% pro-FOTA), forums, Twitter and blogs are being recorded and reported through the industry, emboldening the FOTA teams even more. If the breakaway that was announced on Friday was a bargaining move, it's quickly becoming apparent that it could actually be a runaway success.

    Given these developments, it seems that Bernie will have to sacrifice Max at this meeting and side with FOTA in order to maintain control.
     
  21. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Bernie doesn't have a vote there though.
     
  22. Modeler

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    Swine Flu, surely? ;)
     
  23. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Can a swine get swine flu?
     
  24. R2112

    R2112 Formula 3

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    Contracted an STD wouldn't be hard to believe ;)
     
  25. ItaliaF1

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    I hope they don't come to an agreement, because I know it be as good as what the FOTA are already planning.

    Forza FOTA
     

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