Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

Do we have any idea when the first photo from Ferrari will be presented like they did for the 599 and California?

 

Unfortunately not..

 

I certainly think Turbos are in Ferraris future as they will be the only way to achieve the power customers require and meet the leglislators emission targets, but not this time.

The CC per cylinder was only ever applied to V12 road cars (although it was applied to some 4 and 6 cylinder racers in the 50s)

 

Not that I am aware of, just the rumors.

I would be surprised if someone on this forum can't provide more info from the engine bay photos.
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Three pipe set up may just be camo like the rear fender scoops.

 

See my post #1869.

 

Jim (Napolis) mentioned that he thought the motor would have a lot in common with the 4.5 V8 that is being used (or was used) in the A1/GP Series previously.

 

Some how I forgot that one.
Thanks.

 

Hmm...now that would be something. I haven't kept up with the A1GP, is Ferrari not supplying chassis and power plants for the series any longer?

 

They were supplying a Direct Injection 600BHP 4.5 V8 on a revised F2004 Chassis, but the series I believe went belly up.

 

Well, if it's true, that they'll use the similar engine in the F450, it might be some valuable test miles for the power plant.

 

That is I am thinking, I wonder how much of an evolution this motor will be with the final specs. I am thinking it will have about 520BHP or so.

 

The more that I look at the crash mule pics and the tri-pipe with cross over one you posted the more it seems that there is much unoccupied space over the transmission that might be for turbo plumbing (intercooler fed by those fender scoops?) and the cross-over pipe seems like something needed to balance (forced?) pressure.
Interesting stuff. I hope the reality lives up to all the speculation.

 

No, their stylish edge comes from the chrome nude profiles on the mud flaps. Sure hope the 450 has THOSE!

 

Can't argue there, lest we forget: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/29/patents-reveal-ferraris-plan-for-new-turbocharged-engines/
and: http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20081120&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2008139302A1&KC=A1
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If this car comes with a turbo or has a turbo option, I will literally "S" in my pants if you know what I mean.

But, my feeling is it won't due to cost and reliability issues. It's nice to dream though...

 

My guess: exhaust manifolds feeding a pair of twin turbos coupled to butterfly valves that operate sequentially; right bank at low rpms, both banks and high rpms. The red plastic cover the turbine and compressors. The holes are oil and vacuum lines go, along with air flow sensors. Whats missing: dual intercoolers that bolt into the pair of overhead lateral frames

 

Does solve the problem of increasing HP and getting past the stricter global emissions requirements thru the life-cycle of this and the subsequent car. Nissan and Porsche produce reliable and profitable twin-turbo cars...

 

Haha NICE! Liking your thinking there Cartist!

 

Maybe then I should get ready to buy some new shorts! Let's put it this way... I wish!

 

+1000

 

It's the Cab Sav talking

 

In this picture, we get a better idea of the rear diffuser area. The diffuser surface that lives in the open space between the rear fender extensions (these are quite narrow and aerodynamically tapered) starts low and horizontal at the sides and rises up in the middle - mimicking the sweeping molding edge I think will happen at the front:

http://log.autogespot.com/07-2009/spy450/4.JPG

Two edges are discernible, which would indicated a double-decker diffuser (like on the Cali). The two edges almost meet at the sides, leaving a narrow gap between them. I would expect that there would be some vents at the sides above the diffuser, where this dips down.

As for the N/A vs turbo discussion, I believe there were earlier posts that mentioned that the turbo version of this engine would be reserved for the Enzo replacement. Wouldn't expect this car to be turbo; 3-hole exhaust system (from czechferrari pics) looks to be related to varying the exhaust tuning, most likely to pass low-speed drive-by test.

 

Where are youre sketches of the new Ferrari Monster

thnx

 

I believe that the series is still on, with problems, but still on.