Thank you Napolis!!!!!

Just like the Ferrari "Enzo Ferrari" the 458 shoulda been called the Ferrari "Jim Glickenhaus" lol

 

No offense to anyone here, but I don't see the resemblance.

To me, the Italia is an evolution of the 360/430/Scud design and the one off based on the F430.

It incorporates the new dual clutch box, and direct injection, and some interesting aero tricks.
The rear of the car with the single tail light and incorporated wing, takes design cues from the FXX and Enzo.

Napolis' car is a modern re-interpretation of a different car. His exhaust is F-1 inspired. Totally different.

All great cars!

 

I am totally with you.
Whilst I admire what Jim has done on the Enzo platform it really does nothing for me on a personal aesthetic level and I see very little relation here to what has been created with the beautiful 458.

For the first time in a long time I am excited about seeing a new Ferrari.
To me it looks like a baby Enzo and I like.
The press photos show a car that bears a resemblence to the projects displayed in the 'Concepts of the Myth' brochure.


Paul

 

.... I see a bit of 246GT in the front end of the 458.

 

Be very proud Jim!

 

I agree too +1

I am an artist and make my living as such, and I don't see how some people are jumping on the Napolis' car bandwagon. 458 looks like an evolution of the 360/430 body style, with elements of the curvy 246 Dino and some Enzo, to make a car that is it's own thing apart from it's predecessors.

the Napolis P4/P5, inspried by the 330 P3/4? Nope. 458 doesn't harken to or look anything like the 330 P series cars. 458 is inspired by the modern era Ferrari. Having curves in the car's design doesn't translate to "P4/P5." Lots of vintage Ferraris have curves.

If what is meant by "inspired by," in the loosest sense of PF getting back to retro-curvy "inspired," then that is true, then we thank Napolis for his bold automotive statement. But as somehow a near-copy of Napolis' car, mmmmm no way. Looks nothing like his car.

 

Ive said it before...as a fellow designer I think the connection is simply in the *stance* of the P4/5 - Italia with the cab forward design. i dont see all the rest of the similarities everyone else does. As you say the rest are all long time Ferrari styling cues.

 

And it flows - naturally - like the finest of fine wines.

 

Agreed. No disrespect to Jimmy (after all Jimmy'z in my favourite club). But I don't really see it. I see a lot of 360 and Enzo and maybe a tad of Zonda but that's really it.

 

+10 just like the vintage and magical PF designs of yore; Ferrari has done it

 

yes and I think many non-designers/non-artists are mistaking this overall stance, the cab forward look, to be somehow Napolis' car? ?? So every stance like this you see on an F-car is then a copy of the P3/4 idea?

That's like saying "a table has 4 legs, a dog has 4 legs, a dog is an animal: a table is an animal"

 

Thank you for the info...

Strange that I love the 458 but never like the P4/5

 

We could always contribute it to the NSX

 

+1 just had a look through it and it follows alot of the design elements from 2-3 of the cars in concepts of the myth. i also disagree with some of the statements made in this thread, i see no design ques from the P4/5. also taking a look at the concepts of the myth booklet ive noticed that most of the designs are curvier than some of the more recent models.

 

As one of the designers of the 458 told me he did I have no reason to doubt him...

 

Hmmm, can we have them side by side? I have never liked the Enzo, and Jim's car, while cool, does nothing for me aesthetically. The 458 is just beautiful to me. I agree that there are some basic similarities, and I want to understand why (for me) it works on the 458, but not on the P4/5. The Enzo is just hideous, though very impressive in its technology and performance-wise.

I can't imagine Ferrari not using some of the knowledge it gained from the P4/5 project and carrying it forward onto the 458. It might be a case of version 1.0 and 2.0 so they won't be executed in the exact same manner but there are definitely commonalities (albeit evolved).

 

While I am an admirer of Jim's P4/5, for the purpose of discussing the design inspiration of the 458 Italia, I fail to see any drastically new design elements in the P4/5.
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yeh I agree Rob .. plenty of subtle similarities in the People's P4.

 

I'd like to see more angles and views of the 458 then. What we have been provided thus far are just very limited factory beauty shots that don't show much of the car. I want to see direct full-on front and rear shots, and the car driving on the road from a distance. Curves alone do not translate to direct mimicking of the vintage P3/P4.

But if the designers of the 458 say they were so inspired, then you can't really argue with them! Let's read the interviews and see the coffee table book of the development of the 458. It's a standout instant classic modern Ferrari.

 

I think we are talking about the 458 Italia and its similarities to styling elements on the P4/5, not the P3/4. Napolis had nothing to do with the P3/4 design.

 

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Honda HSC concept (NSX replacement)from yrs back
The side windows and rear quarter
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