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355 Cooling Issue - LH Radiator Fan??

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  1. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

    Mar 17, 2007
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    Just got the car back from a major. Drove 400 miles, mostly highway at good speed in 2 weeks, all good. Car rested three days. Took it out today, and noticed the radiator temp spiking. Never done this before. Spiked, came down, spiked, came down. Made the redline in traffic, so I shut it down. Gave it 15 minutes. Started coming up again, then seemed fine if running at 4000 rpm, would occasionally spike up, but kinda unpredictable. Oil temp perfect at all times. No smoke/steam.

    Got a suggestion could be radiator fan(s). Right fan started up at 190 degrees on thermostat. Left never did. Opened fusebox, swapped fuses (both good). No change. Swapped relays. No change. Checked coolant level, seemed fine. LH fan never came on that I could hear.

    What're the chances this is a bad left fan, and it would fail 6 driving hours after a second major at 13,000 miles? How hard is it to 1) get a new fan (sources?) and b)install it? Worth DIY, or should I have a dealer or shop do it and check for other issues. Any other ideas? The guy who did the major is too far away for this, even though he would, I am sure check it out gratis:)
     
  2. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Check the Thermo sensor at the top of the radiator and make sure it isn't bad...Mine went bad and had to be replaced. When you pull the connector off of it you can jump it and see if the fan comes on. If so, it is probably the Thermo sensor and not the fan
     
  3. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Speaking broadly (knowing that there are exceptions), a bad radiator fan will blow a fuse or two before the owner gives up on it and replaces it.

    Replacements are easy. There is a pictorial either here on Fchat or on www.my348.com of the entire left radiator process (for a 348, but this will get you through a 355 replcement).

    Aftermarket Spal fans, using the same part # as Ferrari (who uses Spal fans as OEM), are available on the cheap. http://www.srbymichael.com/manufacturers/spal/fans.shtml

    But...you *first* need to know why your left fan isn't coming on. Is it a temp sensor/sender/thermostat? ECU issue? Air bubble from a recent coolant flush that hasn't been fully bled? Bad relay? Bad fuse? Bad wiring?
     
  4. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    #4 MRONY, Aug 31, 2009
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    Oh -- Left fan controlled by water, right by oil....?
     
  5. gcthree

    gcthree Formula Junior

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    My left fan sheared where the drive shaft enters the fan blade. Mine made a bunch of racket when it started. At the suggestion of someone on the forum, I bought the fan from Street Rods by Michael and saved hundreds of dollars over the factory part- turns out it was EXACTLY the same part, except for the plug on the harness, which is easily grafted-on from the orginal fan. Very easy DIY job: remove the wheel, remove the inner fender liner with provides complete access to the fan. Replacement is a simple few nuts and swapping the mounting brackets from the old fan.

    To check the fan, I'd remove the wheel/fender liner and get a volt/ohmmeter; I'd unplug the fan and hook-up the meter to the harness. Start the car and let it get warm and watch the meter. If the kick-in temp is 190 degrees, you should see the meter register voltage around that temp range. You could also put a 12V source to the fan harness while you're under there and see if the fan runs.

    And you can clean all those suspension members, shocks, etc. while you are there!



     
  6. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    Will try it tomorrow if I can borrow a lift. Thanks...
     
  7. davehelms

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    Bad bleeder hose's to the tank?
     
  8. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

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    All of the above +1. Same issues here. Bad fan, plugged bleeder hoses.
     
  9. mwhitesell

    mwhitesell Formula 3

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    You can get to the fans without a lift. While it would help, once you take the wheel off and the wheel wells out, the fan is right there. You can have it out in 15 minutes. Or at least unplug it and hook a 9v battery to it and see if it spins. I just replaced my fans and the temp sensor and the temp switch, along with the two small tank hoses which were completely blocked. Now it runs perfect and cool once again, even in Atlanta heat with the air con on. I also changed my mix to 80 water and 20 coolant, since I live in the south where it will never be that cold.
    With a lift you can get to the fan connectors without taking anything off. Then you can do the battery test on each of them.
     
  10. AceMaster

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    +1. You don't necessarily need a lift for this job - as others have said here, wheel and inner fender off and you have complete access to everything you need
     
  11. J. Salmon

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    Don't forget to check the fuse. Mine had blown. Have not had another issue yet.


    Edit... just reread and saw that you did this. Sorry... :(
     
  12. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    #12 MRONY, Sep 1, 2009
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    Don't know jack about this... suggestion that I try bridging the wires on the thermo unit... this is on top of the DS radiator. If that's it, how exactly would I jump it??

    Seems unlikely the hoses would be plugged 400 miles after the engine was out for the major? It ran fine 60 miles coming back from shop, then it sat for a week, then took it up to RI and back, rested for 3 days, problem was new next outing) Assuming the shop knows what it's doing, how would hoses clog so quick?
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  13. 285ferrari

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    That is the Thermo sensor--Unplug that connector--take a piece of wire maybe 3-4 inches long. I used like 20 gauge. Strip both ends of wire. Touch the wire to one side of the connector and the other end to the other side of the connector---so both wire ends are touching each of the connector terminals--See if the fan comes on--Key should be on...
     
  14. f355spider

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    #14 f355spider, Sep 1, 2009
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    The hoses mentioned that go to the expansion tank could be plugged if they were not replaced at the major. They are a known issue to swell and get plugged. New oem will fix it for a while, Dave Helms has a permanent solution.

    As mentioned, try jumpering the thermo switch. If the fan comes on, then get a new thermoswitch. It if does not come on, then it is likely the fan that is bad. Get a new one here:
    http://www.the-fan-man.com/shop/size-pull-part-2049-p-219.html?osCsid=c5b9027f5137ba744d1d40e666124cd1

    Best price! ;)
     
  15. mwhitesell

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    These are not replaced at the major. In fact, if you look at the end up the hose, it will look clear. Its the midddle that screws up. So if you cut one in half, you will see the issue. Unless you tell the dealer to replace them, they will not cut hoses in half to see if they are bad. I think all total, those hoses cost 3 dollars to replace. All 355 owners, should spend the 50 bucks and change those two hoses and the thermo switch and sensor every couple years.
    If you were closer, you could come by and get it all done at my place in an hour. Maybe I should have a 355 cooling clinic at my place. :)
     
  16. mwhitesell

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    I just remembered that you had one of the other Swatters blue 355's. Very rare color for a 355. I'll be up in New York in a couple of weeks, if you haven't fixed it by then, I'd love to make a house call and see your two blue cars together.
     
  17. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    Come by any time to see the cars... just PM me and we'll set it up. The Dino is black. Someone else was about to buy a Swatters blue car for a really great price in this chat...

    OK - here's what I found out... at the suggestion of the mechanic, I tried starting the car with the AC on. Sure enough, the DS/LS fan cycled on for a few seconds... it spun just fine. Then it went off. At about 200F the PS/RS fan came on. Then the DS/LS fan came on again as well, but only ran for a few seconds. The car headed for the redline, so I shut it down at 240.

    So, the fan is working, I guess. What on earth could make it just cycle on then right off again? Bad thermo switch? I didn't have time to pull the coupler plug and bridge it to see if that made the fan run nonstop (Gee... if it does, maybe I should permanently bridge it and run a toggle switch into the cabin... Cooling on demand!)
     
  18. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Mine were...but Ferrari of Seattle is pretty thorough... ;)
     
  19. f355spider

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    Mike I am confident a little diagnostic time, and you can figure this out...
     
  20. MRONY

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    I think superformance has one for 308 on their site. Any other source? Gotta try something. Will do hoses...
     

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