A few more old mags came in today. Both the F40 and F50 became a bit faster, but still behind the Scuderia, but very close! Image Unavailable, Please Login
Why not scientific? This is a mathematically-correct simulation based on real test data and matches what we've seen on the road and track when the cars are driven as hard as possible. See the video of the Scuderia vs. the CGT in this thread. These simulation results predict that outcome. If you added an F40 to that race, it would be just a partial car behind the Scuderia. BTW, I did get a 1991 R&T where they got 11.7 @ 126.5 for the F40. I updated the table with that data. That data puts it closer to the Scuderia with nearly the same 60-100.
The F40 has lower drag than the F50. That's the primary reason it eventually catches and probably passes the F50. The F40 was designed to reach 200 mph with less than 500 HP. It was not designed for large downforce. Luckily I do have data from C&D to run a longer race. I'll see how long I can go.
If my memory serves, the '91 issue of R&T F40 that turned [email protected] was a european model tested on its home soil; the U.S. car was a tad slower as they made some reference to it having a tad less power and also a heavier curb weight, though they didn't specify numbers. I don't have the issue handy, so maybe someone else can quote it verbatim.
Pretty good memory! It was the September 1991 R&T "World's Fastest Cars" issue. All cars needed to pass the European smog test in 1991, and all cars needed to have catalytic converters. So it probably was a European car with a cat, and not a US car.
Here's the race results for an F40 racing an F50 for 26.3 seconds from a dead stop. Both cars reach about 170 mph and the F40 is just a car ahead of the F50... so they are essentially the same. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here's the results of the super cars racing from a dead stop for 10.3 seconds. At the end of the race, the Enzo is going 130 mph. Please ignore my previous race starting from 60 mph. Those results are incorrect. I had an error in the start time. The Enzo is only 10 cars ahead of the F50, and the CGT/Enzo and F40/F50 are within one car of each other. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hey Bill, 1)What is the motorbike that is chasing the cars in the youtube videos you posted? 2)It would be nice to see the Mclaren F1 road car put into the mix of those numbers. It was the old "pinnacle" of supercars as the Veyron is today. Id like to see its comparison to the Enzo, F40, F50 etc. Thanks!
Outside of Bill's info, I would reference Top Gear's drag race of the Veyron and F1 in the latest season.... It may not be as scientific as what Bill has done...but it's certainly a pleasure to watch. A bit surprising as well.
1) That's a Turbo Suzuki Hayabusa. 2) R&T tested a US McLaren F1 in 1997. It is slower than an Enzo and CGT: 0-60: 3.4 0-100: 7.7 60-100: 4.3 1/4-mile: 11.6 @ 125 mph I'll see if I can find the full road test to add to the chart.
That race was all for show. The Veyron would have pulled on the Mclaren right away in reality. I would just like to see the numbers in comparison to the others.
Turbo Hayabusa! Nice! I believe the test that road and track did in 1997 on the Mclaren F1 was the Ameritech converted Mclaren F1. The Ameritech US-spec version has some bodywork enhancements to pass NHTSA crash tests, but it is also slower than the original European model.
I realized I had some track GPS data for the Enzo to 170 MPH. So I could simulate a race between the F40, F50 and Enzo for 20 seconds from a dead stop. After 20 seconds, the Enzo is going 170 MPH and is 24 cars ahead of the F40 and F50, which are about even at 20 seconds at about 155 MPH. Image Unavailable, Please Login
We dont really realize how much faster the newer supercars are until we see diagrams like this. Thank you Bill!
Hi Folks - I believe this is my first real contribution so I thought I would make it count. This same issue of R&T tests the 550M, the 456 GTA and the F355 Spider. If you are interested, I can scan them for you. Also the US test of the McLaren is a euro conversion and is not really exemplary of the F1. I've driven this car in Europe and it is a force to be reckoned with. Thanks Image Unavailable, Please Login
I believe Autocar magazine is the only independent source for a non-US McLaren acceleration test. The "US" car tested by Road & Track is slower. But, for fun, I'll race the Enzo, Veyron and "non-US" McLaren from 0-170 and see what happens. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here is the updated chart with the McLaren F1 added. Remember this is a non-US car without catalytics. The R&T test used a US-emissions car which is much slower. Image Unavailable, Please Login
And THE race... Enzo, Veyron and McLaren F1 (no cats) racing all out for 20.3 seconds from a dead stop. And the results... ... F1 11 cars ahead of the Enzo... ... Veyron 20 cars ahead of the F1. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I've got the original F1 brochure that I could have professionally scanned for you. Also, if you want to invest in the new road car, I've got the prospectus.