Thanks for the great pic Branko. I'm going to go with Aardy on this one.. one of the P cars in the 0810-0838 range. I'm going to take a stab and guess 0838 in one of its early guises. Best, Dave
Hi, I found this very old picture of the first Daytona 24 hours, went into this page. http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1966.html#1 It tells me it is 5901. Then I go to Barchetta and tells me the same thing, otherwise I would have´posted just the picture asking for the serial. branko
Sorry, but the fact is that your pic shows a 275 P/64. I prefer to work on a picture rather any website...
Got it : it's not a 275 P/64 but the 275 P/63 raced at Bridghampton in 1965 # 18 but the windscreen on your pic is a 1964's one. So, not s/n 5901 but s/n 0812 or 0814...
Branko what you said is OK Tha car is a 250 LM wich was modified as a spider very similar to the 250/275 P without the the big arch behind the driver (only a small roll-bar) She run at Daytona 24hours with Follmer -Webster by NART There is a pic on an old french magazine "autopassion" Thank you for the very interesting pic!
That is fascinating to know- that one of the 250 LMs was spydered/chopped at some point in its history. Goes a long way toward explaining the rake of the windshield in the pic as compared to that of its P car contemporaries. Thanks very much for the history, Renato. Best, Dave
I have the pic you are talking about and I doubt it can be seen as a proof that our spyder is a 250 LM !!!
Yes, I agree with you but (usually) Autopassion is well documented. In the book "250 LM", Masini wrote that the 5901 run that race with that number in that year. It is true, also, that in the site http://www.ferraribuy.com/fb/datab/802A900.htm is written that the car n.32 in that race was a 250P #0814 ...OK, we are again at the starting point!
I think it's an error from the (still excellent) Marcel Massini's 250 LM book that many other books, magazines and websites spread around since 25 years. The fact is the pic doesn't show a 250 LM but a 275 P...
From the pics, the car seems to be a little strange as 250/275 P, but old pics may be not perfect. This is the other pic we dealt with. Image Unavailable, Please Login
A 250LM minus roof is a 250/275 P ... so I doubt you could tell the difference, ie. they are the same body wise below the windscreen. This is why Ferrari failed at homogating the LM as a road car because it WAS a 250/275 P with a roof, not an extension of the GT range. Pete
Here are two pics of a 250 LM minus roof as you say and a P/63. I really doubt that the body is the same below the windscreen or... you are completely blind !!!! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The car in the picture is neither a LM or a 250 P. It is not an LM due to the position of the fuel filler (LM is behind the door, P is in front) and it is not a 250 P as the windsheild support slopes back, not foward as on the earlier 250P. That would make it a 275/330P from 1964 and therefore either 0818, 0820 or 0822. These cars had both displacement engines at different times. 0818 was never a NART car and spent all of its post factory life in europe. I know that 0820 and 0822 had the basket handle behind the driver removed pretty early in their history. 0820 has a more extensive NART history with Fulp, Rodriguez and Hansgen before it went to Mecom. I would guess that this picture is from a winter test at Daytona prior to the February Daytona race given the dress of the people around the car. I would therefore guess it to be 0820.
I thought too it was a 275 P/64 due to windscreen but I'm sure now it's a 275 P/63. See the fuel cap : P/63 is bigger and more inclined than the P/64. Also at 1965 Bridgehampton race, some months earlier, the same spyder shows large rear air intakes like P/63, not P/64... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The differences are minor styling changes, other than the repositioning of the "I assume" fuel tank. I did though believe they were the same minus the roof, so I stand corrected . In the end pininfarina put a roof on a 250/275 P when they created the 250 LM ... I bet the chassis is near identical too. Pete
