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Tire shop set the "Direction" wrong on my 360 front tire.

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  1. OceanSide760

    OceanSide760 Karting

    Jul 8, 2009
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    Need your help here.

    After 1000 miles of driving with my 2 new front tires. I realized the tire shop has set the the direction of my front passenger side tires wrong. The arrow mark on the tire is pointing backwards.

    What to do now? Should I have the tire shop change the tire back to the right direction? Would it effect anything? Do I need to remount and balance the tire? Or just leave it like that until the tire wears out, it is safe?

    Help please....
     
  2. junglistluder

    junglistluder F1 Rookie
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    The tire shop should re-orient the tire and mount/balance for free. They messed up.
     
  3. OceanSide760

    OceanSide760 Karting

    Jul 8, 2009
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    Is it still okay driving with the SAME tire after it's being remount and balanced? Or should I ask for new tires for free since they ****ed it up?
     
  4. dwhite

    dwhite F1 Rookie

    You don't have much luck with that car. I would have them put new on if you bought them from them. 1000 miles and you first notice, you may want to look thngs over more frequently. Good luck.
     
  5. junglistluder

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    i think it's ok to remount the same tire. The only difference in direction is the tread pattern (for water evacuation).
     
  6. 412monzaindy

    412monzaindy Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
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    Rotate the front tires left to right,do the same with the rears if needed. that will correct the rotation. but it may cause a slight pull due to tire wear. Them have the car realigned
     
  7. rbf41000

    rbf41000 Formula Junior

    Nov 21, 2005
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    Sounds stupid but the arrow shows rotation not forward and backwards.
    it should point backwards when at bottom of wheel and forwards when at the top of the wheel.
    Check it out, if they really did put it on backwards the inside of the tire will be on the outside of the rim and rotating the fronts left to right will make no difference.


    Russell
     
  8. wise3

    wise3 Formula Junior

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    As Russell says, the arrows show the direction the tire should rotate to evacuate water. If the passenger side tire is indeed mounted backwards, moving it to the driver's side would correct that (wheel and tire are turned around). But moving the driver's side wheel to the passenger side would mean it would then be backwards, assuming it is correct now.

    Have the shop remount the tire correctly. As mentioned above, I would not worry about switching directions. People rotate non-directional tires from side to side all the time with no ill effects.

    Or don't drive in the rain :)
     
  9. bigred2171

    bigred2171 Karting

    Sep 14, 2008
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    It is beyond me you didn't check before leaving the shop!
     
  10. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Wait.

    He paid a guy to mount the tires who does it for a living.

    Do you re-check the fuel injection when your car is serviced? Or perhaps you pull the dip stick to make sure they actually changed the oil? do you check the air filter, oil filter, fuel filter... I could go on.

    I regularly check tire pressure, and did discover that one of my tires was mounted anti-rotationally (if that's a word) but I don't inspect service work when it's done.

    DM
     
  11. fgcfire8

    fgcfire8 Formula Junior

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    I always check behind paid service after I found lug nuts in a hub cap after getting half way home on a set of new tires and my brother had a right front suspension fall off a Fiat Spyder on the way home after a front end alignment--they did not tighten the bolts after changing the shims.
    Now when I buy tires I get out torque wrench and check lug nuts in parking lot if I dont just drop off the rims and put them on the car myself.
    Frank
     
  12. chris marsh

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    I agree with both of these posts. First go look at again to be sure it is indeed backwards, if it is then it should be no big deal to just flip it around. Might be a concern if you were racing and it's going to cost you a few tenths of a second. But this certainly isn't going to affect handling on the street nor cause any kind of damage to your suspension.
     
  13. Sunracer

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    backwards tires are a common screw up. I recently had two new ones installed and I did double check on pick up so I wouldn't have to go back later. They did it right, and DM is right you shouldn't HAVE to check but this one is so easy to check and it takes 30 seconds, spares you some hassle if an error was made. I would just have them install it properly and see how it drives, rather than going all ferrari owner on them demanding a new tire if there is no problem. if you are worried you could contact the manufacturer and see what they say : ) PB
     
  14. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    You guys are assuming everyone knows what to check for. I hear so many stories about 1/4 the orders are screwed up in fast food drive in windows...you shouldn't have to check and usually don't. But being human is making mistakes and being human is trusting than paid professionals don't make mistakes.

    When I got my Eagle F1s with their awesome directional pattern, I brought tire shop the wheels for mounting and I proceeded to put them on the car backwards. When I later drove the car to the tire shop, THEY noticed it and reversed them for me. I'm human and nake mistrakes allatime.
     
  15. bert308

    bert308 Formula 3

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    I think you are confusing directional with asymmetrical. A directional tire is not neccesarily asymmetrical. Is true that if one tire is in the correct direction and the other not, swapping them will make the correct one incorrect.
    In the Netherlands it is now required by law at the yearly safety test that directional tires are in the correct direction.
     
  16. Jeff Pintler

    Jeff Pintler Formula Junior

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    You have to check everything nowdays. I had one shop put the 205 tire on the 8" wide rim and the 225 tire on the 6" wide rim. I have even had one tire not balanced on a set...the clue was the single missing valve stem cap. And my favorite story: The guy couldn't convert from grams to ozs. so he used at least $100 extra of mercedes tires weights trying to balance the tires! Yikes! It is just so much safer to take the shop just the tires and then you can inspect rotor wear, pads, wheel bearing endplay, tire pressure and lug torq.

    Jeff Pintler
    89 348tb, 86tr
     
  17. zygomatic

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    #17 zygomatic, Sep 12, 2009
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    No! Insist on new tires. You shouldn't change the rolling direction on a directional radial tire.


    Don't take my word for it. Check out what the manufacturers (in this case Bridgestone) say:

    http://www.tiresafety.com/maint/maint_content.asp


    "Straight Rotation was developed in the early years of radial tires. This rotation method simply replaces the front to rear and rear to front and is used for directional tread patterns."
     
  18. Qvb

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    There is nothing on the website that suggests there is any danger in reversing the direction of the tire. They merely state that to keep the tread pattern correct, you need to rotate front to back, as people don't generally want to dismount their tires just for rotation. It is perfectly fine to swap the direction of modern tires, regardless of the tread pattern.
     
  19. zygomatic

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    #19 zygomatic, Sep 12, 2009
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    I'll respectfully disagree: if the tread is directional, wearing the 'wrong end' of the tread can affect performance.

    Whether the performance 'hit' is dangerous or not is debatable. To be sure, it likely isn't in most cases.

    However, I'd say that if they mounted the tires incorrectly and the manufacturer recommends front-to-back (rather than cross-over) rotation, then they should replace the tire.
     
  20. dakharris

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    #20 dakharris, Sep 12, 2009
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    So do I. Unfortunately, tire shops are not manned by the best and brightest of our society. You only have to get a flat on the side of the road one time and have the lug nuts so tight that you cannot get them off with a manual lug wrench, that you go home immediately and torque them yourself. You also should check the tire pressure and, of course, proper direction. You even need to check to make sure that you got the tires you paid for. I have had them try to slip a slightly different tire in. I cannot tell you how many times I have replaced four tires and asked that the one with the best tread become my new spare, only to have them forget to do so.

    A little off topic, but if you take your DD to a quickie lube shop, I will bet you leave the shop 1 qt low. Think of all the money they save that way.

    Finally, God help you if you send your wife to have any auto repairs done. They will attempt to cheat her 99% of the time.
     
  21. ace_pilot

    ace_pilot Formula Junior

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    Agreed! Even the best "well-known" ferrari mechanics screw up. Check out my recent threads. That's not even the beginning!

    I'd double check everything these days. Hey, we do it surgery! And our bodies are not even worth as much as our cars!

    LOL

    Ace
     

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