Massa: "I have been robbed. The 2008 WDC is mine."

Didn't Massa win more races than LH?[/QUOTE]

I'm really tired of seeing this,

If the FIA hadn't handed Massa the Win in Spa last year Massa would've had 5 wins to Hamilton's 6, but instead the FIA handed out a Penalty to Hamilton for giving us one of the best races of 2008.

 

I'm really tired of seeing this,

If the FIA hadn't handed Massa the Win in Spa last year Massa would've had 5 wins to Hamilton's 6, but instead the FIA handed out a Penalty to Hamilton for giving us one of the best races of 2008.[/QUOTE]

that's what the lot of us have been sayin' yo! there was plenty of 'race fixin' last year..not just Pi..Que? this whole crying and moaning about 'i should be champion because some apes cheated' is just plain DUMB!

 

that's really harsh Andreas! after all, the guy is such a team player, such a nice guy..he's the second coming of Shui...

sorry, i tried that with a straight face and failed

 

Windsor called it Massappeal. I guess he must be right. After all nothing Windsor ever says is wrong.

Any updates on USF1?

 

Not this crap again. I'm reminded of this...

 

heheheehee.. Massappeal. that's got such a good ring to it. USF1..last i heard they were not such a sure thing afterall.. the spin Windsor has been doing isn't quite getting results i believe. where was that article...lemme look...

 

Just like Massadoration and Masshysteria.

Windsor is an idiot for writing that article and Massa if he trully believes he lost the title in Singapore because of Piquet. He lost it in Singapore because of his team and he lost it in general because he crashed out of two races.

 

The problem that testing would have revealed is that the light system was intolerant of human error.

When you lift the lollipop by mistake, you can drop it (and whack the driver on the helmet) and the driver will stop.

But once the car starts to move, the driver couldn't see the light system turn red again.

The light was only green momentarily in Singapore -- but that was long enough for the car to move past where the light was visible.

The lighting system turned human error from a few wasted second into a major disaster.

We have differing opinions as to the relative contributions by the team and driver. Felipe did poorly in the rain at Silverstone --- after the team decided to double stint the inters. Kimi was far enough up the order he could sit back and tolerate losing positions. Massa had to try to gain positions with a car that just didn't have it to give.

Spinning out in Malaysia was a bad mistake. But I suspect there was team influence on that, too -- e.g., they may have been racing each other for choice of pit strategy.

Every driver made errors. Lewis hit the armco in Monaco trying to keep up with the pace in the wet.

Because the Ferrari team made far more errors than McLaren.

That's why I said that McLaren earned the WCC more than Ferrari did.

 

Last mounth I thought it would be "fun" to argue the point, and I loved the input from all of you. But some one has to put this baby to bed. Massappeal or Piquetgate or how forgot to shut the Gategate, It's hyperthetical for pete's sake. Nothing will change, ever!

 

Time to revive the 'Massa sucks' thread.

 

why do you hate him so much? If he is that bad than how come Ferrari kept him and dropped Kimi? Dont give a dumb excuse that they kept him because he will be a good #2. He has beaten the best fair and square.

 

fair and square? can't be sure about that. as to keeping Massa and dropping Kimi...read Domen's interview...read between the lines...kimi was let go because too many positives in getting FA now as opposed to later... big two, Santander and not losing FA to rival teams. plus the 'culture', and of course keeping a 'loyal' soldier Massa but paying him 'peanuts'...

 

Massa fans I wouldn't worry to much he got the gig at Ferrari courtesy of his manager Nicolas Todt, son of X Ferrari boss Jean Todt.

So when J Todt takes over the FIA job he will see him right..

 

Massa kept the job because of these reasons:

1) Kimi doesn't play second fiddle, he showed that last season pretty clearly
2) Alonso doesn't want Kimi as a team mate, WAY to challenging
3) Massa is well liked

 

Here is the link to the whinning Hamilton long long before Massa said anything and before the meetings even took place in Paris.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/511109/Lewis-Hamilton-insists-hes-a-worthy-champ.html

Yes the FIA has never nullified a race in the past BUT you again conveniently leave out the fact that it has never been proven that a team fixed a race by going to extremes of crashing one of their cars in the past. One media outlet said that Formula 1 is quickly spinning out of control with all the bollicock that is happening. Do you guys not find it strange that Vettel is back on his game just in time to close the gap to Button? Vettel hasnt won a race since the first day of summer and yet the odds makers were calling him to win this race long before the first practice. Unless Vettel crashes out tonight he will win this race. Infact we will most likely see them get Vettel within 10 points of Button after the Brazilian race and then see Button strut his stuff in the final race.

 

I got a feeling the FIA will dream up some infraction for Button so as it closes the gap.

 

You got it Steve. The last 2 seasons and this one are basicaly a soap opera. Button could easily have won a dozen races this year and wrapped it up 4 or 5 races ago. The greed by the 2 nazis has ruined what was once a beautiful thing to wake up to on a Sunday.

 

Several reasons:
- He is very well liked in the team
- Ferrari thinks they owe him one for the crash
- He is a lot cheaper than Kimi (15 million vs 45)
- He is a good #2

He has beaten the best on occasion. Damon Hill has won a WDC that way. Doesn't mean he is a great driver.

Why I hate him so much? Because I can't stand his fake cheer leader personality and his arrogance of being an equal driver when he is not. I don't mind arrogant drivers (e.g. JPM, Alonso), but you have to deliver the goods. He hasnt.

 

You were expecting tights and a cape?

So you assume that anyone who seems to be a nice guy is just faking it?

Dang, you're as bad as most women.

 

I cant stand it when they immediately thank the team, the teams' efforts and the support they got from the team and the cleaning lady in Maranello and all my friends at the team and all the help they got at the team.

That is so PR indoctrinated fake corporate talk that it makes me wanna puke.

No wonder he is best friends with MS. MS even today still uses a public relations person who prechews his sentences.

 

I dunno. So far I'm buying into his joy.
Fake or not its a nice change from the grim attitudes we see from everyone else. (Except Rubens)

 

whining? LOL he says he feels he is the rightful WDC winner and that he drove to win, not to get the maximum points. That's not whining.. he's not complaining about 2007 and he's not complaining about what could have happened, he is just affirming what did happen. Hardly whining. Massa is whining. Alonso was whining about his car being sabotaged... complaining about something you missed out on due to your own mistakes is whining.

I didn't leave it out - it is irrelevant. The simple fact is that penalties have been handed out before for cheating which affected the outcome of the race. Whether it was illegal equipment, intentional crashes or whatever else - the simple fact is that race outcomes have been affected by cheating before. And the FIA has NEVER, ever, ever discounted the results of a race. So you are saying they should do it now, because it conveniently hands Massa the title? Nonsense. The FIA has never done it before and wouldn't do it now. It just doesn't happen. If they were going to do anything, it would have been what they have done time and time again - DQ the offenders. Which means Lewis would have won by a larger margin.

You find conspiracy where there is none. It doesn't take much to see that legitimate companies spend hundreds of millions to be there, and if they were part of some game, they wouldn't be there. You think F1 can't keep something like the Piquet crash a secret but they can keep the fact that the whole thing is organized and controlled by a few people a total secret for decades? Laughable.

 

Kimi = 1 x WDC
Massa = 0 x WDC

Kimi = Lots of money
Massa = Little money

End of story.

 

I agree, however you have to note that F1 teams are an advertising business and as such, they don't care about wins/losses so much as they care about branding and giving their sponsors a good value. So if there were a conspiracy, the companies spending hundreds of millions wouldn't care, they still got their money's worth.

 

Of course they'd care.
A major part of brand management is maintaining the good name of the brand. They run from any hint of being associated with scandal.