360 Clutch issue jumps me to Neutral

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Usually the culprit is a worn clutch, this is a common issue. I do not know why someone would "open up the clutch" ,which means remove the transmission, and not replace it. I find the local service a bit dubious. I hope this helps!

 

Worn clutch like Luigi says. Check with parameters on the SD2.

Funny thing is I have never heard Luigi use the word dubious, ever.LOL

 

Listen to the pros (that isn't me).

The shop could have looked through the inspection plate.

 

Heck ,a worn clutch is possibl;e with only 4,000 on a 430 with leaking actuator screws.

 

I'm having the same problem with a vehicle in my workshop. The SD2 has read the errors which it found none. It tells me clutch wear is at 50%. I have had vehicles have problems with the valve body which can cause the vehicle to go into neutral when shifting. I've also had the selection sensor play up and have similar symptons. In most cases its a worn clutch. I've seen worn clutches from 3000k to 40000k. The only hard bit of diagnosing is if someone has played around with the settings of the clutch travel with the SD2, that will lead to incorrect clutch wear showing on the SD2 and no one will no the difference. I hope that helps you out

 

The SD2 parameter for the clutch wear value is not REAL data, it is an extrapolation of new clutch position and current clutch position. The current clutch position is a real time number, it is what the ECU sees via the clutch position sensor. The NEW clutch position can be manipulated by the SD2 and set to any arbitrary number. Hence skewing the input to the ECU using this data as a reference point to deduce clutch wear. New clutch position - current clutch position = clutch wear degree extrapolated value. I hope this sheds some light on the clutch wear value. I second Luigi's motion of a worn clutch, but first I would check to see if the gear selection and engagement parameters are within spec. It could be that the gearbox actuator is out of alignment and in need of adjustment. The actuator is the device that physically moves the shift forks to engage the gears. It usually manifests when hot and at random when shifting, upon close inspection you may be able to see a pattern. Unfortunately you need an alignment tool and a SD2 to adjust.
Anyways I hope this clarifies it a bit, good luck!

 

i do not see anything where they checked the t/o brg . it can be graphed but since they opened the clutch they would have physically checked this. if i were to go for a clutch in this car i expect to reach deep if it has not had any updates. a new clutch sensor would be on my list best of luck forza!

 

Clearly Woodworth is the resident expert...great info!

My 2 cents, since I just had a new clutch and throw out bearing installed last week ('02 360 spyder F1). The sympton sounds very familiar with a worn/bad clutch, like I had. Although I wasn't slipping into neutral as much, I was getting a "wacky" reading on the machine. It was showing my clutch 167% worn...yikes!! Anyway, after they took it apart, clutch was shot and so were the seals on the throwout bearing.

And yes...reach deep!! It was about $5,400!!!

 

Did you ever find out what caused your car to jump in neutral when it gets hot?

 

A worn clutch is not always the friction material on the disc. It could be related to the pressure plate. Regardless of the miles, more likely due to age.
Performing an F1 actuator centering is a valid consideration. As noted, done by a dealer or very experienced shop with the proper tools.

I had this issue, random popping into neutral.

Had the dealer perform the F1 actuator centering. This helped for a year or so. Then when it started to do it again the dealer diagnosed it to broken “fingers” spring portion of the pressure plate. I had plenty of clutch disc remaining.

So I guess you could say a new clutch assembly fixed it.

 

I had a '07 430 with the same issues, they could never replicate the issue but when I sold it the dealership that bought it asked if I knew the clutch was so worn. Glad I didn't know

 

Wow that’s a really good place for my dealer to look into before I buy a new transmission. They told me that the teeth in the side were the actuator connects to is not moving as easy as it should. It was hard to move the teeth inside the gearbox that changes the gears. Thank you for the advice.

 

The dealer never checked your clutch life? Seems like that would have be the 1st thing they did.

 

It was an internet sale, trade in on my '14 FF, he did have someone come out and test drive it but no PPI at a dealership.

 

The clutch life reading is not to be relied on. It can be manipulated by adjusting other parameters in order to make it read what ever you want.