lambo vs ferrari?

excellent question...

but comparing those two, the Gallardo has much more HP and lower production numbers

 

'04 gallardos were sitting unsold all last winter at 80-85k. There has been a spike up in selling prices of gallardos in the past few months, while 360s have continued to steadily decline in value. Watch this winter and see if '04 gallardos fetch more than 85k, I don't think they will.

Plus, in the Ferrari's favor, 360s don't randomly catch fire like gallardos do!

 

1.5 years ago this was the exact opposite.. 360's were the same price as a gallardo..

mine was the exact same price as a 2004 low mile gallardo, and I got a 2000 modena..

this has been a recent change.. we shall see how long it lasts

 

I've noticed the same.

It may be because the 360 has been superceded twice (F430 and now the 458). It's basically a older used Ferrari now. It's very common, uses technology that has been superceded (timing belt, F1 system), isn't collectible, and is out of warranty.

The Gallardo is still the current model, albeit with some improvements along the way.

I also suspect the 360 was overproduced -- the whole concept of 16,000+ Ferraris of a single model is mindblowing (that's 30% more than the "common" 308 that had a model run of a decade...)

To be fair, the 360 is an older car -- launched in 1999. So, you really need to compare the Gallardo to the F430.

 

+1, I agree with the 360 being overproduced. I also believe there are more 360's for sale then the Gallardo's.

 

+1

 

how is this thread not about 360/430 ... why was it moved?

 

Because farmers always need tractors!

 

last year the gallardo was in the same price range as the 360.. and the 430 was costlier.. now the gallardo seems to be in the price range of the 04 360's.. and still cheaper than the 430

a good 360 still will be demanding 100k+.. where you can get an 04 gallardo everywhere for 100k..

I would say year to year an 04 360 costs about as much as an 04 gallardo right now..

again when I bought my car a 2000 360 cost the same as an 04 gallardo... so clearly there has been a shift..

 

Gallardos are just more appealing to a lot of people over the 360, also less of them out there. After I sell the F430 I would rather buy another Gallardo over a 360, I had both and I like the Lamborghini better.

 

This discussion would be far different on LP......

 

It's called supply and demand.

 

I'm no expert here but it seems to me in the same time, Murci's have taken a tremendous hit in resale values. So, it may be the models and not the marque.

I agree that resale values are always about supply and demand when in a non-speculative market.

 

A quick look at eBay and prices with a buy it now or BO price for a 2004 360 regular Coupe (i.e. excluding challenge stradales etc) range from $100-$112k. On Autotrader, there are 9 regular '04 360 coupes for sale at a price range from $100k-$145k so I don't see where you get $80k-$100k from. That is a range for '00-'01 coupes on Autotrader.

There are 26 2004 Gallardos on AutoTrader ranging from $87k-$130k. On eBay, there are 8 2004 Gallardos with buy it now or BO prices ranging form $87k-$102k.

When I bought my 360 Spider earlier this year and only considering '03 and '04's, I was test driving '05 and '06 Gallardo coupes as well (2 years newer), and their asking prices were at least $10k-$15k less than '03-'04 360 Spiders. I also test drove some '06 Gallardo Spiders and they had asking prices about the same or slighly more than 2 year older 360 Spiders I was looking at.

So it seems based on this quick search and my car searching experience 6 months ago, your proposition is not quite right, both as to price ranges and supply/demand.

All the above said, I don't disagree with the propositions that a twice replaced Ferrari should drop more in value than a Lambo that is still essentially a current model.

 

Damn that supply and demand voodoo!

 

But who has race history?

 

Well duh!

Its no different here to.

You talk to a bunch of Ferrari enthiusist and they are gonna give you the full scoop on why F-cars are better as much as they can, same if you where to ask over on LP its a different story. Its biaist on either side of the fence.

But who cares about race history? Who builds the better car?.

 

I agree, after all Porsche has won more races than any other car manufacturer, so if you use that logic, Porsche is number 1.


QUOTE=Pantera;139070214]Well duh!

Its no different here to.

You talk to a bunch of Ferrari enthiusist and they are gonna give you the full scoop on why F-cars are better as much as they can, same if you where to ask over on LP its a different story. Its biaist on either side of the fence.




But who cares about race history? Who builds the better car?.[/QUOTE]

 

Well, that depends on what you count as a race.

Take, for example, drit oval racing. My bet is: that there have been 100 times as many races in 1/4, 1/3, 1nd 1/2 mile dirt oval racing as all on road racing, ever. Face it, every town bigger than 20,000 people has one of these within 30 minute drive and operate every Saturday night 52 weeks a year (unless raining or frozen out, some even WHEN frozen). There are the pace laps, the green flag, yellow and red flag events, the imfamous white flag, and the final checker. Heck, even the winner gets a trophy.

My bet is that if you do include this kind of activity as racing, Chevy has 50 times the number of wins as P-cars have, Ford having 40-ish times as many also, Chrysler maby 30 times.

Now if you want to argue that this is not racing, if is just as easy to argue that anything with bodywork covering the wheels is not racing either.

 

Mitch, we can go back even further. Ford has over 100 years of racing history. It makes the Ferrari "racing history" argument look like a joke. Below is from 1922.
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Not trying to hijack the topic, and this definitely IS NOT my point of view...... But, here's what the Lambo devotees think of the issue......
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Notice that I tried very hard not to take a side other than to indicate the previous statement was misleading.

 

Very diplimatic of you, a real Henry Kissinger, The "Doc Phil" of "F" chat.....I buy a car because I "like" it.....NOT how many races it won....That was a "Stupid" arguement.....Mark.