Sounds like some posturing going on... Talk to the dealer again in a week if the car is still available... The dealers know the situation out there and maybe he is just playing hardball... Imagine yourself losing half your business, salary, whatever... The guy has to do what he can to make a living... The volume isn't there so the profit on each car has to suffice until the next deal... On the other hand, I have read many a post regarding the big shots on this board saying basically if ya can't pay cash for the car you shouldn't own one so if you can afford to buy one, maintain one and have a true daily driver then the 10-15k should be no big deal to get what you really want..... Tony...........