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  1. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    In the U.S., the Islero often brings less money, when it is compared to the selling prices in the European markets. In the U.S., a driver Islero that was known in club circles for years, just recently sold for approximately 47.7K. You also have other classic Lamborghini autos, that often sell for less money in the U.S., when compared to the same model in Europe.

    Of course in Europe (and other parts of the world), you also have expensive automobile importation taxes.
     
  2. Olivier NAMECHE

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    About 4 years ago, a very good Lambo fellow of mine sold his Jarama to that collector, "aux Châteaux du Sud Ouest", and last year when he came back there he paid attention to the Lamborghinis...none of them have been driven for the last 2 years...

    It seems that Islero is a bargain compared to the 115.000 € non negociable asked by Affolter for his gold Islero GTS. Depending of general shape and to the level of cost to invest in, Islero fluctuates in between 80.000 € up to 120.000 €. Untill know I don't remember another Islero that was sold for more than that... but it will happen... believe me !
     
  3. S_A

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    OK nice to have some detail info about Islero/Jarama case. I expected that it would be over 100 000€, maybe more. Defenitely all matters on the price, history, condition, what is an orginal, what has been changed.

    Funny how low the prices still are, if this would be a Ferrari, it might be alot expensive I think.......
     
  4. Marcello

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    Great job Olivier!
    That was another "missing in action" Islero!
    I suppose you could read the VIN number on the right side of the chassis?
    Congratulations!
    Ciao!
    Marcel
     
  5. Marcello

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    This Islero GT offered here now is clearly #6099, and in my humble opinion, it is only a bargain if the car is completely restored and in good running order, otherwise it is way overpriced.

    Ciao!
    Marcel
     
  6. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Marcel,
    No it does have anymore the VIN plate on the shelf... with Lou's help we have been able together to clarify this mystery by elimitating cars from the list to lead us to that undisputable conclusion : #6306.

    About #6099, it was partially restored and yes it is in good condition, BUT it needs a full service as it was not driven for the last years... so put on top of this about 3 to 4.000 euro
     
  7. Marcello

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    Hi Olivier, I see that the blown up engine is out of the car, so if that engine is included in the sale as well, you should be able to see the engine number very easily, so you can check if it belongs to #6306 ;-)

    Ciao!
    Marcel
     
  8. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6306 had unfortunately a bad life these last 20 years.

    As far as my detective job demonstrated :
    * it was sold new in late 1968 in France to someone who was living in western south and was a wealthy furniture trader.
    * it show off in Edmond Ciclet's hands back in 1985, with the bad rear accident.
    * no idea when this accident happen and who did it, but before 1985...
    * Ciclet bought it as donor car or in order to repair it one day
    * Due to its accident and regarding French laws, it was forbidden for street use reason of removing the VIN plate + erasing serial number on shelf + title kept by authorities untill it would have been repaired perfectly.
    * Around 1988, Ciclet sold it to Mr. Moutt (the same guy that own my #6009 back in 1983 before selling it in 1984 to the guy I bought it from).
    * I have often heard about Mr. Moutt as a "special guy" with many unfreshed Lamborghinis...
    * he considered it also as a donor car but he changed his mind and sold it to the present owner in 1990.
    * this last one always believed he would be able to finance his restoration...
    * ...untill a heart attack ruined his dream...

    So, his widow sold a "ruin" standing in dust for 20 years with 2 engines, the one with a crack in the block will be my next coffee table...
     
  9. italiancars

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    So I assume you plan to restore it?
     
  10. Olivier NAMECHE

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    good assumption...then I will have two full brand new cars...one for racing and one for cruising...
     
  11. Jota 5084

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    Very nice in that colour, much nicer than plain yellow or red, the Roma plate is an extra +.
     
  12. lambomiura

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  13. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Congratulations Joe...it is very nice and I like to see the light impact on the color...superb
    Olivier
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  14. EMILIO

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    very nice luci del bosco car!

    still with the original Roma plates on :)

    islero are nice cars,
    i am more for the cafè racer miura-countach bulls , but i have to say they are growing on me
     
  15. em42

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    Truly fantastic. I love the color combination with the interior.

    By the way, it is the first time I see this kind of surrounding on the front side marker.
     
  16. Marcello

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    Great job, well done Joe! The front side marker is indeed special, but as long as you don't paint the wheels gold/yellow again, the car looks perfect!

    Oh yes, another thing, the mirror!!!
    not again half way the left front fender I hope?

    Ciao!
    Marcel
     
  17. italiancars

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    Not Luci Del Bosco, it is Bronzo Scurro.
     
  18. italiancars

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    #444 italiancars, Oct 23, 2009
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    Those were the front marker lights that were on the car when I got it. The surrounds were simple sheet metal painted black. I had replacements made that were not painted, I may paint them black to match the grill. A photo Marcello sent me years ago when the car was Blue show different front marker lights, which are also different than other Islero front marker lights. If I remember correctly they are Alfa 2600 lights.

    It also had different side marker lights as well. I replaced those with the correct lights. It also had Borrani wire knock offs instead of the proper 3 ear spinner. A cheap leather steering wheel and gear shift knob from an Alfa Spider. I'd love to find more pictures of the car when it was in Europe.

    Here are some other pictures of the car before paint.
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  19. italiancars

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    #445 italiancars, Oct 23, 2009
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    On the mirror, its position half way down the front fender was one of the things I liked about the car when I first got it. It kind of gave the car character. I have a new one to put on, but at this point I don't think I'm going to put mirrors on it at all. It is not like they would serve a useful propose as you can't see anything out of them anyway. Same thing with my Ghibli, they're worthless. Simply look over your shoulder to see where the other cars are at then nail the throttle!
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  20. DNO 246L

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    I know of two Isleros that sold for more than 120.000 €, since last year:

    1. A standard Islero (not the 'S' model) sold for $203,000 at Gooding & Co. auction, at Pebble Beach, California USA on August 13, 2008. The catalogue described its condition as follows:
    "Mostly original but for the paint, carpet, and headliner. Condition reflects a carefully-used 40-year-old Italian GT. Wavy dash, soiled carpets. Fitted with factory a/c. Market Opinion: This record price was achieved as five bidders fought for the car, taking the money required to own it well past the $155k high estimate. There is no doubt that the Islero is a pleasure to drive, with its V12, 4 cams, 6 Webers, 5-speed, independent front and rear, and a/c. Some ’70s GTs such as the similar Maserati Khasmin are now in the $150k range, so maybe the market for these cars is now on the way up."

    2. In January 2009, Joe Sackey (also in the USA) sold an Islero that was previously owned by Feruccio Lamborghini, for $250,000.

    I think it is clear from this, that when the condition and history goes above a certain level, the Islero becomes a very valuable car, and very desirable to collectors who like to buy rare cars with the right badge, and who can afford to buy the best.
     
  21. Marcello

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    Hi Joe, I belief all Islero's left the factory without mirrors anyway, and it sure keeps the design of the car at it's best. Good decission, no mirrors, and pedal to the metal ;-)

    Ciao!
    Marcel
     
  22. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Which VIN are you speaking about ? Because the one Joe offered was NOT Ferruccio's car if I remember clearly what he confessed later, but we never knew which VIN it was...

    ...and I'm very pleased by these values = 203.000 US$ = 145.000 € <> 250.000 US$ =178.571 €
     
  23. FredParoutaud

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    Here is Ferruccio's Islero next to my car at Concorso in 2004 -- it's pretty easy to spot with the wooden gas cap (done because he was into boats):
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  24. lambomiura

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    Chassis 6201.

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