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  1. LouB747

    LouB747 Formula 3

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    Thanks, I did read your post. Glad you found your leak. If mine's a simple leak, that would be great. My only concern is that I did see some "green fluid" in the exhaust pipes the first time I ran it after I saw the leak. Haven't seen any again after a few idle runs. Is it possible the head gasket is only leaking at high RPM's and temps? And that's why I haven't seen any more fluid? More than a few sleepless nights with this one!! Lou
     
  2. Saint Bastage

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    #27 Saint Bastage, Dec 3, 2009
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    I'm trying to thinnk of a way for the engine to puke coolant into the intake or exhaust systems other than a head gasket. Air injection comes to mind but seems unlikely, vaccum system maybe but also unlikely. Even the Head Gasket seems unlikely as the oil certainly shows no sign of contamination. I guess I'm with Mark (Matermech) here....pull the plugs.
     
  3. mj_duell

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    Bottom of hose #9 in the hard to reach area under the metal pipe where the hose meets the neck.

    --Mike
     
  4. LouB747

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    Tried using the plug wrench from the toolkit....wrong size I guess! What size
    do I need? It fits my other cars.....thought all plugs were the same.
     
  5. Miltonian

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    #30 Miltonian, Dec 3, 2009
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    The stock spark plugs use an 18mm socket, which is the size supplied in the tool kit.
     
  6. AceMaster

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    Lou, as others have said about your oil, it looks normal (other than being a little low which you already mentioned). I hope you get this resolved soon and it is something minor that we can laugh at afterward

    MJ_Duell/Milonian/MaterMech, you guys are awesome, as well as everyone else here who chimed in to provide assistance for Lou.
     
  7. LouB747

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    I hope it's something minor too. But seeing the steam and a small puddle of coolant in the exhaust was frightening. And now it's gone....was hoping maybe it just got sucked into the intake somehow....lol.

    My mechanic swears it's not the head gasket, but I guess we'll see on Monday. If it is, I'll need a list of, "what you would do on a 30K service"

    As far as the plugs, I am using an 18mm. Not sure why I can't "get on them". Will try again later, Lou
     
  8. LouB747

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    #33 LouB747, Dec 3, 2009
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    This is both embarassing and frustrating!! Can't even get the plugs out of my car!!!!! I've taken plugs out of my Mondial without a sweat. But can't get on these!! Using 18 mm supplied by Ferrari!!! Pics of plug holes......they sure look dirty!!!

    Guess the car has me beat!!!!!!!!!!
    Can't wait to get it off to the shop so I won't have to second guess it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!
    Just wish it was tomorrow and not Monday.
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  9. Miltonian

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    #34 Miltonian, Dec 3, 2009
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    There's something on top of your spark plug, not sure what it is, maybe part of the connector from the end of the plug wire, maybe the magnet from the inside of the socket. It's keeping the socket from going all the way down onto the plug. Do the other plugs look like that?

    Edit: Maybe I'm wrong, I've never seen a picture from the angle before.
     
  10. PAP 348

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    I think the plug looks normal mate. :):)

    Must be that angle. :):)
     
  11. Saint Bastage

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    #36 Saint Bastage, Dec 3, 2009
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    Looks right to me Jeff....348's don't use the bare plug threads but instead need the lady shaped snap adapters to connect to the iggy wires. Is that what your seeing? You can see the required lockwasher just below it and the whiteish insulator just past that.

    I'm gonna assume Lou has a plug socket with a large diameter that can't get past the cam cover lip.
     
  12. LouB747

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    That's 2 different plugs....very hard to get the wires off. Could I have broken 2 plug wires pulling them off?? Just not my day if I did. Won't even bother with the others if I broke these 2.......
     
  13. copterjon

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    Lou,
    Don't beat yourself up over this. I know what your going through, believe me. I've been there. Just relax my friend everything will be OK.:)
     
  14. Miltonian

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    I just took a picture down a plug hole on my own 348, it looks just like yours, so I was wrong. Next question, are you sure you have the factory supplied 18mm deep spark plug socket? Mine is marked "Vanadium USAG Extra" "USAG 279MG". You might want to look inside the socket and see if you can see all the way through it, it might have something inside it that is preventing it from fitting all the way down on the plug.
     
  15. Frari

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    Worst thing you can do is jump at shadows. For coolant to be coming from centre of car my opinion is that it is from your centre reservoir overflow, a spirited drive can cause expansion of fluid and it will come out the overflow hose it may also come out the cap if fluid is overfull and cap not on tight. Is there evidence , white powdery marks ,on top of the reservoir, if so this is where fluid has come from, unlikely you would have glycol coming from the exhaust as any fuyid would just become vapour. I would look around the clamps numbered around 18 as suggested. I would also take car for a drive and get up to temp and see if you can duplicate fluid leak. If your fluid levels are not down would suggest an over fill problem which fixes itself.
    Don't go about messing with spark plugs unless you know what you are doing, next thing is you will have a miss because you have broken a lead, cracked a plug , loosened some crap which causes a short etc and then you think this is related to the water problem. looks like plugs are reasonably aged for caps to be that corroded.
     
  16. technom3

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    this is a coolant leak, not a head gasket issue. i would not even be messing with plugs. There is no way that much coolant can come down to the ground with a leaking head gasket. Also, your exhaust would smell very sweet, besides your morning start up. You obviously have never seen oil that has had coolant mixed in... it looks WORLDS different than yours. It looks extremely different than what your car is showing. Relax. Ship the car to the mechanic, he will get it on the lift and he will know where the leak is coming from in probably less than 10 minutes. Stop stressing about it. Put all the plug wires back on... leave the spark plugs in (don't run the risk of accidently cross threading the plugs)... just get it on a lift at the mechanic and all will be well. Its most likely just a hose. Worst case its a water pump or radiator. Radiators can be repaired... water pumps can be replaced. You don't need an engine rebuild or anything like that... just relax... and enjoy your kids.
     
  17. pistole

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    - is your coolant "green" , by any chance ?

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  18. Saint Bastage

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    We all completely agree but are stumped at how coolant got into the exhaust. I think that is ultimately what is causing his stress. Pulling the plugs was attempted to prove it was not a head gasket.
     
  19. LouB747

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    I really appreciate all the advice. Yesterday was just a bad day all around. I remember not all that long ago when I was single and had all day to tinker with my car. I truly enjoy troubleshooting and fixing things myself and with the help of others like yourselves. Now, married with 2 kids, the time just isn't there anymore. 5 mins here, 5 mins there doesn't really cut it.

    If I didn't see the green fluid in the exhaust pipes, I wouldn't worry and just assume a hose is leaking. But I know I saw "something". Would put money on it that it was coolant. It was green. Not much of it. Didn't notice anything while driving and when I pulled into the garage. Not "smoke or steam". Car didn't overheat. It was about 10 mins later when I went back into the garage that I saw the coolant (or other green fluid???) leaking. Smelled and feeled like coolant. So started the car just to see. That's when I saw the "steam" and some "green puddles" in the exhaust . Not much, but it was there. Shut the car down. Started it the next few mornings with no sign of anything in the exhaust except a little water(morning first start). Not leaking either. At least at idle. I know where the overflow is unless there's more than one. Mine's almost directly below the tank. It wasn't leaking there.

    I guess at the end of the day, if it's a major problem, it's a major problem. Nothing I can do about it. If it's a minor problem, I'll be relieved, but always wonder what I saw in the exhaust........Lou
     
  20. AceMaster

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    #45 AceMaster, Dec 5, 2009
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    Hang in there Lou, try not to stress as you can't control what's happening and it certainly will not help matters (I know easier said than done)....we are all behind you and supporting you on this, and I believe now it is in good hands at your mechanic's shop correct?
     
  21. technom3

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    ahh... i see... however the clean oil tells you that its not a head gasket.
     
  22. MaterMech

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    Not to be the dooms-dayer but it is possible to get coolant into the cylinder and not the oil. I have seen it myself. It usually causes the car to over heat after short periods of running but requires that the reserve tank to be lower than it is in the Ferrari. The car needs to be started with a pressure gauge on the reserve tank and any mechanic worth his bolts will figure it out.
     
  23. LouB747

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    It's going to Ferrari Technologies in Orange County. A guy named Larry runs the show there. I've know Larry since I got my Mondial over 10 years ago. He always explains everything. Did a great 30K on my Mondial last year. He doesn't think it's a head gasket either, but doesn't know what I saw in the exhaust. I'm hoping it's simple, but in the back of my mind I want to know what I saw and what caused it. Otherwise I'll be afraid to take the RPM's up..........Lou
     
  24. MarkJ

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    The Ferrari can wait but you only get one chance to raise your kids. Let's see, you got a wife, two kids and TWO Ferraris? Wow! You're a blessed man!
     
  25. PAP 348

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    He most certainly is! :eek::eek:
     

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