Can anyone lend me $900,000?

I've got the other 15K

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FERRARI-1991-FORMULA-1-ONE-RACE-CAR-F-643-F1_W0QQitemZ350297418314QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRace_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_?hash=item518f5a6a4a

 

There is a man in Nigeria who is more then willing to give you $900,000. You just have to send him a check for fees and such.

 

$15k should cover it.

 

Get low monthly payments.

Ha.

 

Don't forget the PPI.... probably needs belts.

 

does it come with the moose behind the wheel?

FWIW, Lake Forest in Chicago has a similar car for about half the money...and it is an ex-Prost car (or at least liveried that way), a bit more interesting than an ex-Alesi car if you ask me.

http://www.lfsc.com/1991-ferrari-642-formula-1-car--c-79.htm

 

I'd like this one:

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?sorderby=tblManufacturers%2EsName+ASC%2C+tblModels%2EsModel+ASC%2C+bOfficial+DESC%2C+tblCars%2EsType+&action=simple%5Fsearch&coopid=0&lmanufacturer=10042&lcurrency=6&next=4100%5Fresults%2Easp&whatbutton.x=0&dealerid=0&bsubmit=true&lmodelflag=12276&bclicked=false&bshowstock=Falsch&page=0&lCarID=1785444

tad more expensive than the 642 though, IIRC asking price of the F2002 is something like $1.3m.

 

That huge "FIAT" on there looks hideous...

 

ha! its listed as LHD.

 

Sure. I'll give you a 30 year fixed rate car mortgage. Miss a payment and I'll default you to say, 29% interest?

 

Gear driven valvetrain, so no belt issues!

Suspect it's probably been thraped every mile of it's life though!

 

That is what makes it so valuable

 

Nahhhh....... Pass......It's probably been tracked.

 

The LFSC car is about 2/3 of the ebay car's price.

The comment on ebay about "race ready" made me wonder though when it was last checked out/serviced: I can only imagine a V12 F1 engine sitting for years without ever being run is gonna be a nightmare to get going again. Maybe the ebay car has been serviced and hence the price difference?

That said I never quite understood why the car at LFSC hasn't been bought yet. After all it is one of the few real F1 cars that hasn't been snatched up by the Clienti Corsi program, which to me sounds like a big plus: If I had that money, I'd want to do with the car whatever the heck I felt like and not what Maranello thinks I should be doing.

While we're on the subject of old F1 cars: Did we ever come to a conclusion on the shelf life of carbon fibre as used in these race cars? If you'd take a 20 year old CF F1 car onto the track, is there a great risk of breaking something suddenly? Remember the Kroymans (?) F1 Ferrari that snapped cleanly in half at Laguna Seca?

Obviously F40 are not falling apart, but as road cars they were probably built to last forever. F1 might be different. Comments?

 

The CF would be the smallest of your worries, with a engine that was meant to run two HOURS between full services!!

 

The cockpits of F1 cars are very tight.
The maintenance is expensive and serious.
The crews needed to run them are extensive.
They are very difficult to drive unless the tires are warm which doesn't happen at slow speeds.
IMHO you need factory involvement to run them.
Proceed with caution.
There are schools that will put you in one.
Before buying one for more than garage decoration I seriously suggest trying one out.

 

Jim makes a point, normal sized people next to race drivers looks like this..
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Overpriced. Just buy a "regular" F1 car (newer as well) for much less. Last time I checked, these were in the $100,000 range. http://www.racecar.com/carsinternational/stock/stock.asp

 

Thanks Jim. I agree with your comments except for the factory involvement.

I'm not in the market anyway, but if I were, I'd go with a car from the seventies powered by a Cossie.

 

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The LFSC car has been in their showroom for a LONG time...5 years? 10? So you're correct, there is almost certainly a very expensive restoration needed.

I agree with Jim, including the factory support part...manuals, spares, etc etc are necessary to make the thing run correctly. It is a shame that Ferrari is so heavy-handed with the corsa clienti program, but what can you do...

or, if you just want to go warp speed, buy an old Lola or Reynard Indycar. 90+% of the speed for 20% of the money (at least one Fchatter has one that he does vintage racing in)

 

I've seen Corsa Clienti at work and it's pretty impressive..

But Mr. G is right, you need (4) tire warmer guys, (1) Oil pump heater guy, (1) crank up the engine guy...

I don't have that many friends, in the whole world, so hiring some would run into $$$$$...
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The heavy handedness is a real turn off for me (not that I have the money to make that decision anyhow, but if I had it). The program reduces the owner basically to the role of test driver who shows up when the Scuderia has an event.

I believe you, but I'm thinking if I were in that position, I would have my own part time crew. A friend of mine has a CanAm McLaren and an Indylights car and the team that keeps the cars up to speed, takes care of everything for him at an event. That is very much like the Corse Clienti program, except, that my friend decides when and where that is, what happens to the car (Indylights car has his own paint job) and these mechanics being Americans based in the US probably cost him a fraction of what it would cost to have the Maranello guys flown in.

I'm thinking a similar approach could probably be taken with the car in the OP or the one at LFSC. Yes, they were computer cars (particularly the 643 in the OP), but I'm sure once you have the software and the laptop (of 1991!) you can probably entrust a local mechanic/engineer with it. Spare parts are a different story though, which is why I'd rather have a seventies car with a Cossie.

 

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