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  1. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Well Mercedes now has Brawn and crash-cheater Schmacher...so why not?
     
  2. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I don't care as long as Mosley keeps his beak out of it..;)
     
  3. rcallahan

    rcallahan F1 Rookie
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    We need Flavio...and his girls!
     
  4. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    To be sure;)
    In our quest for justice let's be sure F1 doesn't lose all its rogues and its character.
     
  5. 4rePhill

    4rePhill F1 Veteran

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    Here's something to ponder:

    Just because His lifetime bans been overturned doesn't automatically get him a pit pass.

    Also, the FIA aren't legally obliged to issue a super license to any driver who asks for one.

    And as there are plenty of other racing driving jobs available that aren't a part of the FIA, it would be hard to claim that it represents a restriction of employment.
     
  6. canadiantifosi

    canadiantifosi Formula Junior

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    I am a three decade F1 fan and the past couple of years have left me yawning trying to stay interested.

    IMO, F1 is and has always been about stretching the rules to win, call it cheating but it is accepted by all of the teams. Flav and Dennis simply got caught and hung out to dry as an example.

    Hope to see both of them back in the sport one day as F1 needs more characters in management to fill the void by corporate robot drivers.

    Cheers-Colin Firth-Ontario Canada
     
  7. Roots Mon

    Roots Mon Formula Junior
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    Max is still doing interviews and using the imperial
    "we" as if he's still in charge of the FIA.

    If Todt is smart he'll get Max muzzled (but then again
    Max may like that) ASAP before the whole thing gets
    dragged down into further litigation.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80758

    RM
     
  8. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    You don't wanna know how mad this makes me!!!..an eternity in the company of Beelzebub and all his hellish minions will be nothing compared to five minutes alone with me..:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  9. beast

    beast F1 World Champ

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    He only says that in between his Nazi hooker orgies:D
     
  10. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Steve, face it Max doesn't care about F1 any more. He just makes these inane statements because he knows how much they p*** you off :)
    He's just crying in his wilderness exile hoping someone will pay attention.
     
  11. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I really hope your right on this one Dave...:eek:
     
  12. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Just because Max still harbors the belief that he's relevant doesn't mean that we have to as well.
     
  13. DMC308

    DMC308 F1 Rookie

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    I thought the FIA said any team who took him would be excluded from any FIA regulated event?

    So does that mean they can let him back in, but they can still end a teams season if someone hires him? How could any court regulate the sports points system?
     
  14. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

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    Sadly, the media is likely to stick to the idea that "Max Mosely Says..." generates readers... at least for the immediate future...
     
  15. 4rePhill

    4rePhill F1 Veteran

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    "Stretching the rules" usually involves a clever or alternative interpretation of an existing rule or regulation, such as Ferrari's double wing car at long beach in 1982. This is not exactly cheating as it is usually kept within the technical brief, when viewed from a certain perspective.

    Making use of stolen information from another team and deliberately crashing cars as a tactic are far beyond "stretching the rules" though. Neither of these are based on an interpretation of a rule or regulation, they are blatantly dishonest and are purely cheating.
     
  16. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I am not a lawyer and I haven't read the court's decision however...

    The USA and the EU have laws regarding how business may be conducted. The FIA may be a sports organization, but it is still the private sector, it is not a public entity (it's not government, in other words).

    Part of English common law is the illegality of restraint of trade. It often falls under consumer protection or competition law, but the point is the same. And that is that it is illegal to contractually obligate someone else not to do business with whom they choose.

    The teams have contracts with the FIA to race. The drivers are also contractually allowed to participate as drivers. If the FIA tells a team that they cannot participate if they hire Flavio, that is a pretty clear cut (IMO) case of contractual restraint of trade, and is completely illegal.

    The FIA cannot tell a team who they can and can't do business with. They can grant or not grant licenses as they see fit, but if they require someone NOT to do business with someone else as a condition of being licensed, that is a contractual obligation not to do business with a party, and therefore a restraint of trade, and therefore illegal.

    I expect Flavio to return to the pit lane within the next year or two, possibly with one of the smaller teams.
     
  17. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    So...i'm confused. Why is everyone, or most supporting Flavio here?
     
  18. tritone

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  19. DMC308

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  20. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    The fact remains that there has never been any credible evidence presented whatsoever that Flavio had anything at all to do about the crash...he was banned merely on what disgruntled crybaby NP said. How can he be banned and his good name tarnished without at least one credible piece of evidence? Plus, Ferrari needs Flavio to win with Alonso in 2010.
     
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  22. TopElement

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    Why not? Flavio is F1. Just like a lot of other teams and players, he cheated and got busted. He was penalized, now time to move on.
     
  23. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Because it's like the Pete Rose case (who bet on his team to win, not lose). If FB had done something shady to ensure that Renault lost, and personally profit from it, that's lifetime ban time. Doing something shady to win -- that's not so bad ;)
     
  24. barbazza

    barbazza Formula 3
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    For me it's because I hate Max. Flabbio is a prick as far as I'm concerned but if it gives Max an ulcer then I say bring him back. :)
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Exactly.

    Anything that p!sses Mosley off is fine with me.

    Mosley is a self proclaimed prick for letting his personal vendettas rule his clueless brain.

    I'm so glad the court has shown up the FIA for the sham it was under Mosley.
     

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