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Still more: 0418MD, 0432M (250Monza), 0504M, and 0518M.
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Final group: 0562MD, 0584M, -736TR, and 0747GT. And yes, that's my ride, the Chrysler "Balena", behind 0432M.
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Thank You so much for all the lovely pictures, Ed. How about, any pictures of yourself with your cars at all, to share ? Thanx. w/ smiles Jimmy

 

Yaknow, Jimmy, I don't think I have any pix of myself with any cars that went through my hands, but here's one of Mark Dees with my wife Phoebe and me with Balena. Mark, of course, has gone to the great garage in the sky, and I do miss him; quite a character.
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That's unpossible!

Thanks Ed, as always, GREAT representation. Love 0418MD

 

Thank you, Ed. Sorry for being stupid, but are you the one with the cowboy hat or the jolly soul with the baseball cap ? Lovely shot there. w/ smiles Jimmy

 

From seeing previous (inside the factory) pictures, I'm thinking he's the one standing behind the gorgeous Phoebe (cowboy hat).

 

Nope. The late Mark Dees is in the left of the photo with the cowboy hat and glasses. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Niles but must assume he is the gentleman on the right.

Furthermore, in Mr. Niles post #5325, the second photo features 250 MM #0320. The gentleman standing on the right side of the frame in the foreground is its late owner, Mr. Bob Sutherland.

Best,
Dave

 

Dave Powers wins the blue ribbon for human IDs, but the car with Bob S. is his 375MM, S/N 0320AM.

 

I stand corrected (and using the shadow of the hat for an excuse), but I am absolutely correct about Mrs. Niles

 

Good ones, Ed!

 

Thank You Ed, et al for clarifying my query. Charming photo, and I should have noticed the clue (Mr. is holding Mrs.' hand below the cut line). I can only imagine how rich your life has been so far, Ed. Thank you again for sharing your wisdom. w/ smiles Jimmy

 

Of course- my head was vacillating between 250 MM 0250 and 0260 when I wrote this. "This is you brain on Ferrari(s)".
But thank you for waving the checkered flag for me!

Best,
Dave

 

Hi!

Anyone have a photo of this car?


I think that is 2729 GT and the race is Tropheé d'Auvergne at Clermont-Ferrand, 1961.

Mairesse and Dumay.

Thanks.
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Photos of this car and race can be found on page 50 of the book Charade 1958-2002 "Le plus beau Circuit du Monde", authored by Patrice Besqueut, published by Editions du Palmier in France 2003, ISBN #2-914920-06-7. BTW, the car was not goldmetallic.

Marcel Massini

 

This is the Spinedi car #2159GT.

 

This one #5 is 2159 GT : Gérard SPINEDI - 5°OA.
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Fine!

Thanks for all: cuxa, Boudewijn and Marcel Massini. ;-)

 

Here are 2 snaps of 024MB. The first came from Gianinno Marzotto, and shows him in his driving suit (neck-tie and suit made from Marzotto fabric, no doubt) in the real Mille Miglia, and the second (from Ron Kellogg, I think) shows Ignacio Lozano in 1952 at Torrey Pines, a sea-side course in San Diego County. Note the snow fencing, as if that would save the spectators from an out-of-control car. Torrey Pines was a particularly spooky course, as one couldn't help thinking of going over that cliff into the Pacific Ocean. Maybe someone with better memory can tell us what that leading car is; a Jag special, maybe. (I'm not losing my memory; I'm just living in the now!)
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Small adjustment Ed: you miswrote 1954.

 

Great, thanks for sharing. Curious, some sources list this car as 0084ES. Any thoughts?

 

All I can say is that when I had it I rubbed and chalked the S/N on the frame and it was 024MB or possibly 024M8, with no discernable alterations.

 

There has been some confusion about this for two reasons that I am aware of. Marzotto seems to have used the license plate from 0084E on 024MB when it ran both the the Giro di Sicilia and the Mille Miglia races during April of 1951. He also apparently used the engine from 0084E in 024MB for a period of time quite early on but I am not certain that it was in the car for those same events. I am also not certain that it was the only "other" engine used in 024MB. I have researched the original license plates for both cars and there is no confusion in early registration records ... which do not always tell the whole story. But, there certainly are other interesting details that are recorded about 024MB. There have been some fanciful stories about how 024MB came to be built in the first place and the paper trail tends to support the possibility that it was not a strictly "normal" process. But then, almost all of these cars had something special about them!

My research on 024MB has been fairly casual to date. Despite this, there is a fair bit recorded about the car but there are many "minor" mysteries that remain.

Was there a specific reason the engine 0084E was used ... aside from the obvious assumption that it was presumably larger than engine 024MB? Was 0084E the only engine used in the car while racing?
Although still owned by Marzotto, the car raced several times in different hands in Italy during 1952 but I've not seen anything yet for 1953. Anybody else have anything?
Which engine was fitted when 024MB came to the USA, presumably in 1954? It was a two-liter ... according the class it raced in. We could assume that it was the "original" two-liter engine but that would be an assumption and ... What was it?

Ignacio Lozano was the first to race the car here in 1954. He seems to have begun racing 1953 in a Jaguar XK120. One of his race entries during 1953 was in a "novice" race. He went on later to become a "bigwig" in the SCCA for a time. In 1954 he appeared in the Ferrari (Em = 2 liter racing category) first in Texas and then in California where he raced it three times (only three?) and Ed's photo shows him at Torrey Pines in July of 1954, chasing Pickford who was the winner in the Jaguar special. I don't know if Lozano finished. After this, Lozano returned to racing Jaguar XK120, then Kurtis-Cadillac, Jaguar XK140, Lotus and probably more except ... in 1956 he had an entry at Pebble Beach in a "Ferrari Em". This car? I haven't checked really carefully but I don't think he appeared in the race itself in a Ferrari? 024MB was apparently sold (shortly thereafter?) to David Andrews, musician and son of the actor Dana Andrews. Dave Andrews joined the California Sports Car Club late in 1956 and the newsletter acknowledgement said that he owned "Ferrari, Ford, Jaguar" at that time. Andrews reportedly removed the Ferrari engine, fitted a Chevrolet and sold the Ferrari engine at some point to Pete Lovely.

There's lots more recorded for later on, including yet another engine swap but surely Ed would be a better source of "what happened" in the car's life during the next time period?

John

 

In may of 2005, I sent the story called "The Egg and I" to FML, and it was published by them soon thereafter. That story incorporated what I was able to glean from Marzotto about the construction. I also tried to contact Dave Andrews through his father, only to learn that Dave had already died. Dana knew nothing about the car. I also recall that the car, when I had it (as received from Lucille Schaub) had a single-carb engine, a 212 as I recall. I suggest that anyone who is interested in this unusual car go to the FML archives as a start. Of course there is no guaranty that G. Marzotto's memory is accurate. I don't think I have his book; does he say anything there? More pix attached; some may be re-posts.
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Ed, do you have any more photos of 0418MD? Fantastic looking car!

Amazing posts thus far! Cheers!



_J