Maserati Khamsin

Yes, professional drivers do that, but private persons seldom think of it.

Greetings

Ulf

 

Hello all:

I just spoke to my friend Michel who has the crashed written off Khamsin AM120204 and he is willing to sell some parts so Paul, John, Rick and any others let me know by private message or email what you would want and I will run it by him.

Hope this helps!

best regards,

Marc

 

It depends on where you're located Marc. LHM is not easy to find in the USA but Petrosin has a perfectly suitable fluid and it's available in quite a few autoparts stores here. I don't remember which current formulation they suggest. They stopped making the one I originally used but there's a newer replacement available from them. I've used their product for years without any issues. I think they also now make an "official" LHM II as well but once again it's generally not available here. There are lot's of options available but as you say some people put ATF or other stuff in there which should only be used as a roadside emergency solution.

Bob.

 

Hi Bob!

Well yes I am sure that it can't be found everyhwere but I recall that in Fort Lauderdale I just went to the Rolls dealer and they had it right there (for those who don't know Rolls Royce used Citroen hydraulics from the sixties to the eighties, quite a compliment) it is probably possible to mail order it from any Rolls dealer if you don't have one nearby. You know far more than me on technical matters and we agree that the wrong hydraulics or the use of brake fluid instead of hydraulic fluid can and has ruined cars: I have heard some horror stories.

best regards,

Marc

 

I used to get the Castrol version in the tall, round, white&green bottles at Rolls dealers but that got expensive. It's used on some Jags as well. Just look up Petrosin. There's no hope for people who use brake fluid. Of course that is a lot more likely on a Bora since the clutch circuit in that car DOES use brake fluid. Yup, expensive repairs then.

Bob S.

 

Marc,

How many Khamsins have bee written off?

Ulf

 

I get my LHM+ from www.westernhemispheres.com in California . . .$12.50 ltr. They also sell it in larger containers.

 

Hmmm I think trying to guesstimate an answer to your question will be my weekend project!

More than 10 is the initial answer.

best regards,

Marc

 

Hello Marc and Bob...

Marc: I would be interested in the hydraulic (LHM) pump from Michel... How much do you think he would be asking for it?

Bob: Interesting you brought up the Castrol alternative... I have been using this in my
Khamsin as this what the previous owner was using... You are correct, it is somewhat
expensive... So my question is, is true LHM compatible with the Castrol stuff (ie: can
I mix the stuff without any ill consequences)?

Mike D.

 

Hi Mike hope you are well I will ask him about that too.

Anybody else? I am sending this list to him at 5 (in 55 minutes).

This is really a one time situation as this donor car should be exploited I don't want to become signor parts!

best regards,

Marc

 

Marc,
Include me.

Joe

 

Hi Ulf
I know of one, MIE sold me numerious parts from it. Dont Know the Chassis Number sorry.

Cheers
Graeme

 

Mike,

I transitioned over time from what came with the car => Castrol's version => Petrosin.

I did evacuate the entire system at least 2-3 times but I'm pretty sure I've mixed brands as well. What ever I bought looked the same color and always smelled the same. Who can forget that distinctive smell ... I always went with what was locally available and in the NE of the USA it's Petrosin. When I was in SF it was the Castrol.

Best thing is to write the manufacturers and ask the direct question.

Then hope you don't get a Toyota-esque answer.

Green forever!

 

Hi Marc,

This is a difficult time for him. I know of an Espada owner who had just finished a spectacular rebuild of his SIII Espada. This guy knows a lot about that and other cars too.
It got hit very badly and he said he was going to part it out. But no one has heard from him since then and that was several years ago. He might be waiting for the right donor car to start over. I hope so.

I don't know the condition of the car you're talking about but that's another possibility to consider and it's not like it's easy to find such a large collection of decent running gear, parts etc.

If you saw the before picture of that Espada you'd know what I mean. I can imagine how heartbroken he is.

Bob S.

 

Hello Graeme and Marc,

I know no written off Khamsin in Sweden.
Perhaps Bill McGrawth can provide Marc with further information.

I don’t know if my main spare parts source Carrozzeria Campana sells used parts.

(I just had a look at the GB club site and could not find Campana in their long link list.
Campana, the official Maserati spare parts distributer of pre-Biturbo Maserati since DeTomaso's time, has also taken up reproduction of sold-out Maserati parts.
Campana nowadays also has a web shop, but I have never managed to get it work, possibly because I use a Mac.
But if you are not in an extreme hurry you can always send a mail in English to Silvia at
[email protected] and get the parts reasonably fast if they have them)

Greetings

Ulf

 

hi
been away form home for a few days and just saw this post

I would be very interested in a door mirror; a windscreen depending on colour and possibly some other bits

My car is complete but having spares can be usefull!!

Marc

can you forward this to the guy and let me know where he is?

Paul
xx

 

Hi Ulf
Thanks for reminding me about Campana, its seems strange that the "official" classic Maserati place has a low profile. The web site is an info only site. I couldnt find a Spares link on the site. How do they operate is it Via the old method of noteing Page, Table, Item, Description. via emal method?

Stop looking I found it.
http://www.maseratishop.com/Ricambi_en.asp

Regards
Graeme

 

Hi all:

That makes nine of you who are interested: I will translate the list of requests tomorrow morning very early and email it to Michel.

Hello Paul: hope all is well. The remains of 204 are in the area of Grenoble east central France.

Back early evening with statistics on written off cars, at least those I know about!

best regards,

Marc

 

Hi Graeme,

I think Campana’s low profile is due to that being official spare part supplier of the older Maserati cars is just one side of the company’s activites.
Campana is a 63 year old, and as I understand, very successful company with a large modern plant in Modena.
It is also services all types of Maserati cars and the only officially by the factory recognised complete service centre.
They restauring cars, building prototypes, and service old and new Maserati cars
They also build protoptypes (e.g. for DeTomaso) and tare he only officially recognised DeTomaso carrozzeria.
They are the official technical adviser for Masertai Trophy racing activities and also do the service for various MC12 racing teams (Vodaphone, Maserati’s own etc.)
Etc.

Campana is not dependent on selling parts to private persons and has enough to do.
They know that their parts when needed in one or other way will find their way to the cars.

Greetings

Ulf

 

Ulf,
they are not the very best resto-shop in Italy as they made some very bad aka ridiculous mistakes on some very significant million-$$-Maseratis.

As a parts-distributor they are good and I can recommand them.

Ciao!
Walter

 

Walter,

Perhaps true.
You more often see the Candinis, across the road, in Villa d'Este and similar connections

Ulf

 

I have gone through my whole database and here is the best answer I can give to Ulf’s question.

Those with known chassis numbers:

002 THE FIRST KHAMSIN AND ALSO THE CRASH TEST CAR
204
301 scrapped at McGraths
376 burned to the ground (info by walter)

Un-numbered :
French car navy blue ex actor jean lefevre (of the Gendarmes de st Tropez, totaled by his lady!)
Totaled car ref to me by Bart V. maybe same one
SEVERAL CARS IN UK HAVE ROTTED AWAY AS CLIMATE DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEM

For the next two below see:
http://www.maseratikhamsinregistry.com/mysterycars.html
Ex jean Yves D. Euro car south Florida (top of the page dark red damaged)
This one could be the same as :
A Euro car dismantled at Jacques Pozzo do Borgo’s in California
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia car totaled in big crash (black and white photo ) BUT…could be, entirely rebuilt 106 which has obviously been rebuilt and has a QPIII engine. I hasten to say I am not criticizing this car owned by Kim who has posted here once or twice and was at the Goodwood Intl meet in October.

According to a French expert who has worked on them since the start “a good few” were totaled for various reasons.

4 US cars in period and thereafter from Oliver Kuttner in the Carolinas

1 I heard of burning to the ground near NYC in the 1980’s a red car.

1 in Australia I think

Borderline, that is to say cars that are just sitting, complete but in terrible shape and owned by individuals who do not have the means to restore them:
1080 ex Alex Penkov car, Los Angeles sat outside a looong time, deemed a basket case by Maurice Khawam
1118
1160
these two 1118 and 1160 are both “twins” both fly yellow, both in Midwest and both really borderline between savable and parts car.
1260 the stolen car, I am putting it here because its fate is certainly borderline: would like to save this one.

So you can count and do a basic math here but…

The much bigger unknown is that while I may have information on about 300 cars now, among these on maybe a 100 cars or maybe 60, 70 any information is over 20 years old: a number of RHD cars are unheard of since almost new…as is the case of a number of early euro cars. The most dense info I have is on the #300 to #400 Euro/RHD cars and on US cars in general. Finally there are still 130 cars missing from my data…so you see I don’t envy people who attempt to census cars made in much bigger numbers!
I will post just three photos here: the car that had been damaged by mishandling during shipping in a harbor, shown in this photo at MIE, it is far left, its hood sitting on another car in the middle, Kerry McMullen told me they no longer have it and have no record of its chassis number, the remains of what could be the Jean Lefevre car on a trailer (thanks Bart) and the Khamsin in…Egypt, which I wrote when I got the info about it a few years ago comes from the land of the Khamsin wind and seems sandblasted by…to much Khamsin!

Best regards,

Marc
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Thank you Marc,

More complicated than I could have ever imagined

Ulf

 

Hi Marc
The car you mentioned that was written off in Australia do you know what the Chassis Number was?

I am wondering if it was mine.

Graeme

 

The input about a car written off in Australia is one I got a very long time ago, I can't remember from whom I got it but it seemed a reliable source. Might have been Terry Healey the dealer.

best regards,

Marc