Old chinese proverb......... "opinion like toothbrush........everyone have one........so not necessary to share" Not that i adhere to this one.........i have my own.........but seems many people do.......
where did Massa finish in 2007? 4th is it? I like the guy a lot, he's incredibly nice and I DO hope he wins a world title, preferably soon while that alonso chap is still there in the team... But as for raw talent, Kimi is one of the best in the last 2 decades. Along with Vettel, hamilton, Schumacher and probably (very important year for him now!) Kobayashi. Massa had a ****load of stuff to learn after he went from sauber to Ferrari as a test driver. The above 4 drivers I named do their best driving with barely any thought to it...It seems Massa really has to think about what to do (listen to the rob smedly radio for instance. He's like the guys instant satnav).
massa out qualifying alonso? haha maybe, but i don't think so. regardless of where they qualify as long as they're close when it comes race day you'll see the difference in skill level between the two.
Steve McQueen was a *****head. Nearly finished reading a book called "A French Kiss with Death" and is about the making of the film called Le Mans. I used to think highly of the guy, but he was a *****head ... but to be fair the lack of parents caused the insecure result. Pete
This place would be crickets. Lets see how Schumi's neck holds out. Perhaps a laugh on you. For the record I've always stated he got out too early.
You mean the skill that got him around LH at Budapest in turn 1. Move was called "Hamiltonesque". Clearly he knows the right way. Kimi drives for JUNIOR Rallye team and FM still wears red. Im thinking most drivers prefer to wear red.
They all predicted Felipe would crumble before Kimi's vodka bottle as well. How little we know when we forget how UN predictable F1 can be.
1 good move does not make a champ, as we have so painfully seen with Massa. Kimi won the WDC wearing red, in fewer seasons than Masse, who still haven't won it, and most likely never will.
Kimi didnt have one move like that while at Ferrari. Felipe outclassed him no matter. Kimi was fired. His WDC is clearly not the stuff of legends. More like a gift from a nervous and new LH. Over all at Ferrari Kimi was beaten by a so called midfield driver in equal machinery. Lets see....he's in junior rallye team and no real team in F1 said yes to a drive for him. Yep the mark of a true dominant champ. Felipe outworked and drove him and took the fight to LH in a fashion Kimi never had at Ferrari.
If a car doesn't do what you want it to do from lap 2 onwards, it's going to be a lot tougher when it only starts doing it when there's barely any fuel left in the car, enough rubber on the track and finally the tires how Kimi likes them. That and the fact that the team wanted Massa to win the next title is a lot against you... It's quite funny how from one day on the other, kimi's doing '****' and when Massa is injured he wins the race because at that moment the team HAD to be behind him. as for the move Massa made on Hamilton, yes it was BRILLIANT, no other words for it but how many times has he been over taken and didn't even put up half a fight? Malaysia, turkey, hockenheim... Kimi has made brilliant moves (fisichella, 2005 suzuka). He has the raw speed to overtake in a normal way. I wish we'd see more overtaking manuevres like Massa did in hungary but the fact remains that moves like that or almost never likely to succeed. Hamilton was partially concentrating on the other side of the track so he wouldn't get overtaken on the inside. It wouldn't happen by any worthy driver during any other lap of the race.
Plenty of drivers have been over taken and not put up a fight. Watch any race. LH never saw it coming because Felipe had the nerve to do it in a car slower in qualy and pulled it off. Thats called racing. LH had to eat his 'didnt defend well' quote rather nicely id say. The mantra here over and over and over with LH vs FA........beaten in equal machinery. Thats what FM did to Kimi. Period. The same applies whether its LH vs FA or Felipe vs a severely over rated and over hyped Kimi. Kimi got fired is out of F1 and F1 has a very very short memory. Like Ive posted earlier, sound management decision to retain Felipe vs Kimi. Much higher ROI and a driver that proved Kimi was NOT better in a Ferrari.
Kimi is still WDC and Massa is not And Kimi will probably be back in F1 next year, most likely with Red Bull. MKassa will hopefully get the well-deserved long overdue sack after this season, unless he does something miraculously and win the WDC, which I don't think will ever happen.
We'll have to see how that bump on the noggin affects things? F likes his enthusiasm but he better be in top form. The guy wasn't real consistent even when he was on top of things.
How can you say a long overdue sack. Clearly you are just biased in a negative way for some reason. The guys missed the WDC by one point of of one turn on the last lap of the last race of the season. Then clearly outclasses his teammate in hat was clearly a POS car (F60) until getting nearly killed in the accident I don't mind differing opinion and am not professing Massa is the next Senna as he clearly isn't but portraying him to be unworthy of his ride is a joke
He would have lost by 15 points if the FIA hadn't changed the race results of Spa and Fuji after the flag had dropped in their misguided intention to keep the championship race open. It was such open fraud, that it caused an uproar amongst drivers and fans and the result is now that the steward's selection and training has been drastically changed and true professionals are running the show now (at least that's what Todt promised). Outclasses? The only driver to score a victory with the F60 was Kimi. Felipe outclassed Kimi? Hmm, let's see in absolute numbers: Championships won: Kimi 1 Massa 0 Wins Kimi 18 Massa 11 Podiums Kimi 62 Massa 28 Points KR 579 FM 320 Pole positions KR 16 FM 15 Fastest laps KR 35 FM 12 And since somebody is going to cry foul because Kimi spent 1 saison more in F1, let's do this again in % of races run: Races KR 157 FM 116 Wins KR 11% FM 9% Podiums KR 39% FM 24% Avg. Points per race KR 3.6 FM 2.7 Pole positions KR 10% FM 12% Fastest laps KR 22% FM 10% I'm happy Massa is doing a fine job as #2 driver and I wish him all the best this season. But he is no WDC and he will never be. Lets be a bit realistic here.
That's a lot of ifs. He would have won the title also if he hadn't had his accidents and incidents in previous races. Luck and bad luck is part of racing. Over the years everybody gets an equal share of it. If you want to make WDCs dependant on one race bad luck moments, you'll have to rewrite the book of F1 as there were many titles decided by narrow margins. Since folks are so adamant on bashing Kimi: How about the moment when his suspension let loose at the Nuerburgring? Could have gone the other way. It is a bottomless pit if you go down that route.
Andreas, it won't ever change the minds of those who don't want to believe otherwise. it will always be "Massa lost the WDC because the pit crew botched this/that stop" and not "Massa would have won the WDC if he hadn't run off the track so often". Sure, it's good to see him improve since coming to Ferrari, but the excuses of why he isn't a Champion...jeebers...btw, Kimi wasn't 'fired'..it was a mutual buyout--didn't he say that he had to agree to leave...a situation where he could've stayed this season if he REALLY wanted to, but it would've been on a team that had already moved on mentally and it would've been an ugly working situation. If he was fired in the truest sense, he wouldn't have had the option to stay at all. I wish i could get 'fired' from a job like that, either stay and have everyone hate you, or leave with a huge wad of cash.
i think someone did...and i think that was taken from the F1 website...it is interesting how fast FA got acclimated to the car, the team...should be an interesting season that's for sure! Massa is quite fast, FA is arguably faster yet...so hopefully the car evolves from this good foundation (testing being what it is, we'll see just how fast the car is at Bahahaahaaarain)
They wont and the results speak for themselves. He was fired after Felipe out drove him following his LH gifted WDC. Kimi was not a good investment and per point is more expensive and less productive than FM. Hence Kimi's contract at Ferrari after the WDC stipulating he do more testing. No wonder FM did better. Also prior to last season it was publicly announced Kimi's job was under review. He is the least notable WDC recently to say the least. Oh and also Kimi improved AFTER FM was out for the rest of year. What choice did the team have. Their BEST driver was injured. That also implies the team DID NOT consider Kimi their best chance for victory. Kimi over priced and over hyped and out of F1. If he does go to RedBull Vettel will not be phased and would probably make quick work of him. Kimi is not a work/development type driver. The car is either perfect for him or it doesnt work.
