TODA stroker kit

Hahaha I love that Ernie! I'm seriously leaning towards this at some point. Just the compression hike erks me a tad bit! Plus gotta find away around the emission police!

 

Wow, we've sold this brand for years and I didn't even realize they made this. Very cool but pricey, could piece this together yourself for mid teens using name brand components.

 

How do you work this out? The power gain from the weight saving on the valve train would be nowhere near this figure, so are you assuming that the valves are not following the factory profile to a serious degree?

 

That may be true, but the time and labor and unknows would surly cost you the same or even more then just buying the kit. That has been already tested to work and gives you a ballpark figure of what type of HP you will be getting. The only problem is how long will the engine last.

 

I have no intimate knowledge of the 355 engine. So this question may be naive: Can the 355 heads be milled (stock pistons etc.) and how much compression can be had? 12.5:1, 13:1?

If so, why not do that and get some custom hydro cams made by one of the US cam manufacturers (as they have told me they can basically grind any cam you want) - nothing too radical. Maybe port the heads a bit. Run 5 gallons of VP 109 with every fillup and somehow get the ECU retuned. That should put you at about 450 hp.

I think ferrari left a bit on the table with the stock tune. But maybe you don't even need a re-tune. If the cams aren't too radical, it will idle well enough. And with the bumped up compression you may not need any more timing. It's not a map based system so the air flow meter should handle the fueling (unless the ecu table or maf is maxed at this power however there is a work-around for that).

 

I am very interested in building an engine with this kit. A 355 with that kind of horsepower sounds like nirvana to me. What I would like is a testimonial from someone who has already done it before I dedicate the TIME and money to see the project thru. How many of these kits have been sold? Where are the real world examples? I have real world (US) cash. Show me the data!

 

Only thing that scares me about this is that, with the price of 355s getting lower, the chances of these kits getting thrown into cars as an 'upgrade' by a shade tree mechanic, then sold back on to the market. I could see these kits really making a "reliable"(use of this term is ment to compare to other ferraris, not toyotas mind you) engine into a grenade with the pin pulled.

An extra 40 horse or so would be just enough kick in the pants to make you think the car is in better condition then another car you drove, until you tear into the engine and find out that its not stock, hopefully on your next major, and not parked on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck seeing pieces marked Toda scattered over the last 1/4 mile

 

To be Straight forward with you I don't think anybody would do this kit unless there are going to keep the car for a real long time. The price of the kit is high and that does not include the rebuild labor cost which runs around $20,000 alone. There is a thread on the cost on here, So there should be no worries on anyone.

 

Well I think you would have to venture over to Japan and talk to the guys over there. Maybe find out from Toda who has installed the kit and show up when they are having a track day?

 

$650.00 wet nitrous system...100hp jets...sounds like the way to go to me;-) set up properly, nitrous can be safe, I think it just has a bad rap where the people running it got a little trigger happy, or didn't tune it properly....look at all the money you could save!!!

 

How big a bottle do you need to run all day at the race track doing 4-5 30 minute stints?

 

I just got the email from TODA USA for the pricing. These kits are very expensive. This is just the parts and doesn't include any labor.
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Are they really claiming that rod and main bearings are worth almost $6000?

 

+1. Look at the price on the cranksahft. $15K? LOL

 

Wow, I didn't even see those prices. Nuts!

 

Too bad it is priced this way, it is not even worth dreaming of. Even if I had this kind of money to spend I would probably have a hard time justifying spending it this way... Feels like it is priced like the internals of an F1 engine...

 

I think I'd go with the Aussie TT kit before I'd do this TODA one at their prices...

 

I have a friend who works for the car cluster here on the west cost of Sweden (Ford, GM...). He estimated that it would cost about $6-7K to make a one-off crankshaft. $15K sounds totally taken out of the blue...

 

Do they recommend lowering redline for this kit? Piston speeds will increase with the longer stroke and I thought the 355 was already pressing piston speed.

Taz
Terry Phillips