The one that Kerry was refering to was owned by a guy who showed up at the Monterey meet that year(late 80's ???) and was the winner of the hard luck trophy. Well yah!!! You might be able to find it that way. If you have a name the possibly it can be traced via one of the corresponding MIE membership rosters. Bob S.
Thanks for the suggestion Bob: perhaps you have the VCM issue where this and he are mentioned? I only have a few of them. best regards, Marc
Marc (and everyone)-- Here's a picture of a silver car, terrible interior, that I happened across while driving my car here in the lovely San Gabriel Valley. I found a guy who knows the owner, and will be happy to attach any serious people to him. I'd love it to find a happy home, so that *I* don't have to buy it S Image Unavailable, Please Login
Excellent Seamus! Could you please try to find out the chassis number -tell them it begins with AM120 and can be read at the front of the dash top from outside the car and also in the door jamb(only on US cars) what gearbox type, auto or 5 speed, some more photos and anything else mainly how long it has sat history and condition? Its not often one Khamsin has a chance encounter with another! Thanks again! best regards, Marc
shown in this photo at MIE, it is far left, its hood sitting on another car in the middle, Kerry McMullen told me they no longer have it and have no record of its chassis number, the remains of what could be the Jean Lefevre car on a trailer (thanks Bart) and the Khamsin in Egypt, which I wrote when I got the info about it a few years ago comes from the land of the Khamsin wind and seems sandblasted by to much Khamsin! Best regards, Marc[/QUOTE] Hi Marc I believe that the picture at MIE is quite old. This picture was taken with the rear section of that car attached to my car circa 1993 Graeme Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Marc I believe that the picture at MIE is quite old. This picture was taken with the rear section of that car attached to my car circa 1993 Graeme[/QUOTE] Hi Graeme: true Kerry said that after removing what could be used they got rid of what was left of that car long ago. Good to see it was useful as a skin graft for yours! To all who are interested in the parts of Michel's #204 he is really busy but we should know next week, will let you know. best regards, Marc
Hi I have found one more Khamsin in Sweden. It is AM120-150. The car was registered in Sweden 14/6 1990. The owner was Solveig Anita Olsen in Sundsvall. The swedish registrationnumber was PDG180. It was no longer in Sweden 1/2 2000. Best regards! Magnus Andersson
Hello Magnus: Thanks for that did not know it had been in our native country. The car has been owned for some years by Wolf Z. in Germany who occasionally posts here. "I own 120-150, delivered new in Germany, 5-speed, black/red. I bought it in 1991." best regards, Marc
We lost many cars too Germany in 1991 and 1992. The swedish money was not worth anything. best regards! Magnus
Just found this on Google: http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coolcatz.com/images/maseratism.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.coolcatz.com/projects.html&usg=__8r9dStkDP6ihpUP3P7N1IeqZTGo=&h=121&w=200&sz=18&hl=fr&start=428&itbs=1&tbnid=u1NNqBXTnK5-hM:&tbnh=63&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaserati%2Bkhamsin%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26start%3D420 Nice little restoration slideshow, I must say I did not know this car, it could be the oft rumored black Khamsin in Palm Beach which I never was able to find out anything about, it would make sense. Enjoy. best regards, Marc
Hi Ulf, The Khamsin is stunning in blue: very similar to my blue Merak (see the "I'd like to see some Meraks" thread, e.g. #194). Do you happen to know the Maserati color code? Cheers, Gabriel
Gabriel, I also like it very much, and have come to like it more and more. That was also why I took such a care to get it as close to the original as possible when it was re-sprayed. In the build sheets from the factory the handwritten designation is BLEU METALLIZZATO 2463680 and I can see no difference the colour with the same number in the Khamsin colour samples from PPG that Marc presented earlier in this forum and I show again below. What is so special with this blue-green colour is that it is so variable. It takes up the light from the surroundings and may look anything from dark blue to green depending on the surroundings, if indoor, if cloudy, if sunny, under green leaves, facing a white façade, etc. I think the flakes helps to enhance this effect. A very straightforward spectral colour like e.g. Ferrari red always looks Ferrari red (and is probably intended to do so) but this blue-green colour does not, and therefore you never get tired of it. And it is also this variability, I think, that helps to bring forth the slowly bowing lines and curved planes that are so characteristic for Khamsins clean design so well, as e.g. shown in the picture of may car with a red car and the birches in the background. But if you, want to spray or re-spray it in the original it becomes more problematic. Although this colour are well-defined in terms of Italver och Salchi codes, these are no longer used and not easy to translate to the todays colour codes. Although some in the colour branch claim that the modern codes are manufacturer-independent, other with much practical experience say that it is not so simple in practice. And a general major difference is that the colours from that time were solvent-based and todays are water-based. One may perhaps manages to match the old colour but to also get the same lustre is almost impossible, which may show up very clearly if you re-spray just one section. Therefore, I after advice selected to re-spray entire car instead of just the bad sections. So you cannot be absolutely certain that even if using the original paint manufacturer you will get the same result today. (Besides that some experts says that they can alter the final impression just by varying how the spray). Now paint shops prefer to work with one paint system, and the one I trusted used Sikkens. I was in no hurry. So at Sikkens laboratory in Stockholm they first took a shoot with a special camera for a starting point, get flake content, etc. and made 4 or five sample from which I selected the one I thought was closest (they always prefer that the customer takes this decisions so he should not complain afterwards). Of course you can start from different points and get the same end result, but as close as possible is perhaps a good strategy. The final fine-tuning can however not be automated, since it also have the character of interpretation, and this is very personal. For this Sikkens borrowed a head-light cover and made series of test-sprays to come as close as they thought they could in their laboratory. They took nothing extra for this but were careful and carried out the job when it did not interfere with their regular jobs. In my case it took half a year. Then, I was presented 5 samples with minute variations. I compared these with the car under all condition (inside, in my garage, sunny or cloudy, etc). At last I selected the one that locked the same as the old colour under all conditions. This was not an easy since all looked almost similar. Closer than so you cannot probably get. But how do you know that the colour of the light cover had not faded under the sun during all these year? Firstly, this effect seems to be colour-/pigment-dependent (red seems to be very sensitive). Therefore, I compared places that had not been exposed to the sun (behind doors, under door sills etc.) but could see not the slightest difference, in spite the surface layer on the sun-exposed areas had crackled. So the pigments of original blue-green colour had aged well, and hopefully they are using similar pigments in the new paint. But could it not anyhow has aged chemically, if the pigments e.g. were organic? Of course you cannot be absolutely certain but if this was the case, the colour would have changed more in hotter environments as in the engine bay. But I could see no difference with in the coupé or at the outside. So the following receipt from of the backside of the plate from Sikkens that I finally selected is probably as close you may come the original colour: MASERATI Blå-Grön 1K / 1M06 Product: Autobase Plus Primer: Remark: Colorant Weight (%) Conc (g) Q652 23.27 23.27 Q140 4.38 4.38 Q811E 4.55 4.55 Q811B 6.03 6,03 Q550 7.25 7.25 Q564 11.24 11.24 Q726 20.28 20.28 Q065 23.00 23.00 100.00 % 100.00 g (Of course, it looks stupid to repeat the same figures but it is printed so, and the total weight may not always be 100g.) But in the end you must of course look at test plates and see if you like, and slight variations are impossible to detect. Basically I think you may spray it in what colour you like, if it not totally non-period. And people spontaneously seems to like the colour. Often they the say Oh so beautiful! Have you just washed the car? No. I normally dont clean it more than once or twice per year, more than dusting it off. Although I dont use my car too much I think it look better if it looks like it is used regularly and have a little dirt behind the wheel arcs, etc. If you have a Khamsin it should look like you use it daily and you just had had a long and fast drive as it were designed for, in about the same way as if you only once or twice in your life wear a tail-cote it should look like it is the most common thing in the world for you to do, which makes me think about Fred Astaire who wore out numerous tail-cotes by dancing. The first thing he made when he had got a new was to make a little package of it and jump up and down on it so it should not look new or rented. It is a bit the same with a Khamsin (although I would not recommend jumping up and down on it). Greetings Ulf Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello all: Please note that some colors are missing from the paint sample booklet: another Maserati mystery! Bal: I never got an answer from Dean in texas about his color code, will email again now. best regards, Marc
Ulf, Many, many thanks for the very detailed and useful information. I had a few parts of the car resprayed (rear wheels arches on both sides) two years ago, and used the backside of the petrol filler cover as a guide. The paint shop had an optical sensor that came up with the basic mix, and then the guys made a few adjustments. It worked passably well and the car is "presentable" as it is (it is not its original paint; it was last resprayed in the early 1980s), but I intend to have it fully resprayed within a couple of years. Best, Gabriel
Since then all rain, snow and salt! This is a picture of the car on that "memorable" dry day in december. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Marc, No problem re the paint code. It can be only one of two, Rosso Cordoba or Rosso Rubina according to the list from the Khamsin registry site. Just need to understand the difference in the shades. Ulf shows how much he loves his car by the lengths he went to in order to get the paint shade correct. Even though I don't use my car much I cannot begin to think about parting with it as most suggest to me due to the inactivity. But one day......... Thanks again for your efforts. This thread is always full of interesting articles, some very knowledgable folk out there and I thank you all for sharing your info. Bal
@Marc, I copied this from the 4.9 V8 topic, I think it is fascinating stuff and (also) belongs in this Khamsin topic. I think it is unbelievable that you were the first to speak to Malleret about Maserati since 1975. It's fantastic to read the interviews with people who were there at the time! I once read in an interview with Alfieri that he didn't think his work was important because the public in general didn't benefit from it. I was very surprised by this attitude, too modest in my opinion, but there's some truth in it of course. I do not have that interview anymore but it was in Thoroughbred and Classic Cars from august 1985 by Doug Nye. As everyone will know, Alfieri was already with Lamborghini by then.
AMLC and Bal: I have always written with the most knowledgeable and curious readers -such as you- in mind: there is too much dumbification out there in car magazines now compared to 20, 30 years ago the quality has gone down (same in many other fields). The fact that book subjects focused on tiny very specific subject matters (and readership) are now feasible opens up a lot of new possibilities. That's not what will pay for my next Khamsin though not by a long shot!. I have huge respect for Doug Nye who has more knowledge in his little finger than I between my ears, really look forward to a proper conversation with him, have only had a couple of brief chats with him at crowded events. Giulio Alfieri said that otherwise Doug would not have written it, however the image of Alfieri that emerges from my interviews beyond his obvious talent is that of a huge ego who could cope with the workload in the late 50's but less and less as the years passed and as cars got more complex, yet he refused any arrival of new engineers and Dominique Drieux confirmed to me that he had to impose them to Alfieri who just had a blind spot about the fact that he could not do everything as the workload increased. Adolfo Orsi confirmed to me there were problems like that in the Orsi days as Alfieri stretched himself too thin yet blocked the arrival of other engineers or shut them out. AMLC you car is looking good as ever! best regards, Marc
Well, last weekend was the coming out party for the Khamsin. I was able to find a local shop to rebuild the the high pressure hose from the pump to the regulator. When I brought the hose to him he said he'd never seen a fitting like the one on the pump end but was sure he could work around that. He cut the ferrell off the pump end of the hose fitting, welded a new ferrell on, put a new hose on the pigtail and crimped it. I was good to go for about $70. I ran the car for about 15 minutes after I replaced the hose and everything was dry, what a feeling of success . . .well almost. The hydraulics were fine but the cooling fan temp sensor decided to go AWOL. It was working when I bought the car but failed in the open position sometime during my hydraulic escapades. I ordered another one and installed it last Saturday, just in time to get out for the 1st get together of the year. The car ran great! No LHM leaks, it ran cool, sounded great and was a real pleasure to drive. Below is one of the shots taken at the monthly get together. Rick . . . . Image Unavailable, Please Login
