Is this possible? PPI failed??

I agree with everything you said Jerry.

 

I don't mean the OP who posted it on Fchat. I'm talking about the guy on the other sight who makes the original claim.

Yes, the internet is a great tool. Unfortunately, it's a great tool for both good and evil. There needs to be some consequences for using it for no good.

 

That makes sense. I think I recall reading that Brian doesn't do PPIs after reading about that nonsense with the 365GT or something like that from Mike Sheehan's article.
Sorry I used the term 'lying', that was kind of a harsh word. Long standing people here generally don't lie!

BT

 

As Brian stated on that other forum:

That is the problem with our society, we rush to judgement after the first story we hear INSTEAD of hearing the ENTIRE story first. We do not say, "Hold on one second, I know that individual and that would be out of character for him/her, I know there has to be something missing"....instead we grill that individual to death.

For those that know Brian and have dealt with him that can stand up in his defense, bravo. I think he at least deserves that much considering his contributions here on FChat.

Oh, by the way...Brian, I did catch you in a lie - you stated in that forum that it would be your first and your last post, but you actually posted twice there

 

The L4P OP needs to bring some real information to the thread, like the Year, Make, Model and VIN of the supposed car. I'm not going to hold my breath on that one, because I think the OP's post is a steaming pile of BS. Sounds to me like someone tried to get someone else to polish their turd and got told.

 

Agreed, it is just plain stupid. Just because service is done to a vehicle doesn't mean that's a guarantee it will pass a PPI.

 

What im having a hard time wrapping my brain around is that some people dont understand that even though he worked on the car, something may still be wrong with it. Its like they expected rifledriver to be the fix-all end-all for this car. Im sure there is still a piece to this that i am missing but the analogy that came to mind for me was this. Lets say a painter/carpenter/whatever goes in and does work on a house. Then says no i wouldnt buy that house. People immediately saying that he mustve done a bad job on the house without considering things such as location of the house and other things wrong with it. I dont contribute much here but people jumping the gun on judgement is one of my pet peeves. Ill reserve my judgement on the situation because rifledriver obviously has a good reputation here and that is not something that people just have without doing something that justifies it.

 

Dont want to hijack this thread but i have a question.

What do you do when you are interested in a car at a very reputable Ferrari dealer and you want to get a PPI?
Forego the PPI?
I would have more faith in getting a PPI from this dealer but if he is selling the car then this is pointless.

 

The implication by the guy in the other forum was that he did all the servicing / repairs that were recommended, but then the same mechanic said the car was no good (for what we don't know) by the same mechanic. Brian has stated clearly that he may do over $10k in work on a car and it still would not get recommended by him which is fair. It may be a miscommunication where the car owner thought he was getting the car back to factory original condition when he was just getting the factory recommended services. Again, without supporting documents or a tape recording of the conversations nothing definite will be determined. Brian's reputation seems excellent for his regular customers here, so that speaks volumes about how many clients view his ethics.

BT

 

Brian Crall of the Brian Crall Company
(Brian Crall Company in San Ramon, California. (ca.) #5225279)
was recently asked to perform a PPI on a Ferrari that was on consignment at Specialty Sales in Benicia
Specialty Sales Classic Cars - Affordable California Classic and Exotic Cars Since 1978

The result was that the Ferrari failed.
and it failed miserably.

When the owner was told of this, he was very surprized and showed paperwork witgh receipts for well over 5 figures on a servicing just 150 miles prior. The owner further stated that he had accepted all items the service shop had found and paid for every defect the shop had found to be resolved.

The name of the shop that performed the major servicing just 150 miles prior?
The Brian Crall Company.

In my opinion this "outing" is ridiculous. #1) The above text was not posted in the other forum by the owner of the car, nor the individual who had the "PPI" performed, but a third party.

He/she further states that the owner "had accepted all items the service shop had found and paid for every defect the shop had found to be resolved."

This is simply a case of a guy bringing in his car for "service" and if anything Brian noting a few additional items while performing the requested service and suggested their repair or replacement. This happens all the time and does not mean the owner of the car wanted his car to be completely corrected from front to back. My mechanic has noted things while performing a service and has brought them to my attention for approval. This does not mean that the car is solid and would easily fly through a PPI it just means, as stated, that he found a few things while performing the service that "I" requested.

I have read and learned many things from posts made by Mr. Crall and this situation and who is at fault is a no brainer for me. While I have not asked any specific questions of Brian I appreciate him taking the time to enlighten and often times correct those who have made incorrect service statements.

 

FWIW, I would take Rifledrivers word over 99% of the people on this board. No offense intended to anyone here, but I have that much confidence in him and his abilities just based on what I have read here. I have never met Brian nor really had any exchange with him, but his reputation precedes him here and it is sterling IMO.


PDG

 

Everyone here (but one) really is missing the point. Cars do not "Fail" PPI's. A price is asked, and inspection done, and sometimes a price is renegotiated based on that. Sales fall through all the time during that process.
I do believe I know which car is in question. The owners is a good guy, last we saw it, it was a good but not perfect car.


Who knows what happened? My phone is not ringing off the hook from an unhappy seller so I sure don't know. I would bet the only one the really does is the buyer and he may never say.

Bottom line is someone with no clue of the process has less than half a story and has decided to get some attention.

 

No ****. No Way Brian was just trying to make a buck...I am sure he is doing just fine without this kind of Bull****. This is why it is so hard to function in the automotive sector.

This "SaturnKilled" guy on the other site WREAKS of something fishy going on. At first he says Brian is responsible and basically calls him a lying cheat; then when someone calls him on it he backs down and says he doesn't know both sides, blah blah blah.

What an ass.

Brian is well respected here and don't let some idiot on the internet ruin his reputation by someone who won't even Identify his own establishment.

MB

 

It is also the second time in 2 months this third party has started a BS, vague, accusatory thread on that forum about Rifledriver

 

Seriously, Saturn didn't know about the other thread the OP over there had posted. Once he saw it, I think he knew he had been a little quick to back the wrong horse.

 

Absolutely Brian.

I have 1 case that I experienced that was the perfect example of a "fail". That car was missing VIN plates. The plates were physically drilled off the car -- and the dealer doing the PPI said they legally cannot touch the car, and unless it is removed from the property ASAP they are by law required to report it. So that is a FAIL. Other than that, its up to the buyer. You look at the 3rd party inspection report and decide for yourself if you're dealing with a reputable seller, thats all. Is a undisclosed rock chip a fail? For some (extreme) people it is, for others not so much. A ferrari PPI is no different than a home inspection report. Just because someone replaced your roof doesn't mean termites haven't been eating your foundation.

Unfortunately on the Internets its whomever has the most post count or on the most boards/forums that wins an argument. That's the real crime.

 

no he does not...what if the car had $5k worth of work but was in need of $20k to make it right?

witch hunt on the other site. we should know better as members of this one,

cheers brian!

pcb

 

Seriously, why don't we just let this thread DIE!

Anyone who has even spent 15 minutes on this board should know enough to dismiss the OP's claim as utter nonsense. Brian is a pillar of the F-chat community and if he can't get the benefit of the doubt, then, frankly, nobody on this board deserves it.


L-E-T I-T G-O!

 

I don't generally do this, but:

+1

+1

+1

'Nuff said.

 

I purchased a $500 truck once. I put $1500 worth of parts into it, did my own work. When I was done I had a $500 truck that started right up, drove and stopped well. When I sold it I got about $500 for it. I have owned many cars that I wouldn't recommend to other people. Some cars are drivers, some show cars and some beaters. A beater Ferrari with $20K put into deferred maintenance may run well but still be a beater. This is a witch hunt in a basket of sour grapes.

I'm sorry if I duplicated someone elses comments, I had to add my two bits but was so frustrated with the accusation that I couldn't read everything.

I say it takes balls to dis-recommend a car after being that involved, this tells me BC is an honest guy.

 

Hmmmm - I wonder why? Maybe it's time to unleash the F-Chat Police and get some answers!.....

Meantime, Brians reputation remains justifiably intact - Gotta love the 'net

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1 My inspections are just that. I list as much as I see within the parameters of the purchasers desire. You want a leakdown? No problem. Do I think you should buy the car? What do I think it's worth? is it worth $xxx? These questions are never answered by me. I will however and have often done start looking at a car, and not finish because of areas of concern. I typically call the purchaser and discuss whether they wish to further waste their money.

I try to dissuade people from pouring $10K into a $8K car. but people do sometimes insist. That $10K will not make a perfect car, nor another $10K......

 

The local F-dealer here won't release service records or discuss a customer car without authorization from the current owner. Not exactly sure what happened here but if I was a seller that would be my expectation. It'd also avoid a potential law suit

 

How on earth does a car "fail" a PPI? Most people use deficiencies after a PPI to barter for the car and a lower price, so in reality a car with some issues is actually a good thing.
The perpetrator of this story is either an ignorant ass or somebody that wants to bash Brian in public. Either way it obviously isn't going to go very far here.

 

"'Nuff said."

"Seriously, why don't we just let this thread DIE!"


I hate to see threads closed, but this thread feels like an insult to one of the few experts willing to play openly on the internet. I've become convinced that there's little upside for people who actually know things to participate in online discussion.

Now I've made things worse by moving this thread to the top. Again.