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  1. snj5

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    Does anyone have any first or second hand experience with Pur Sang Bugatti replicas from Argentina. I know Leno has two.
    While not authentic Molshim Bugs, they seem to be nice pieces in the same way. I spoke with them today about their least expensive replica, a Type 35. Any opinions or references?

    Many thanks
     
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    Simon - many thanks.

    FWIW - the prices quoted to me for a 35 were $170 w/blower and $160 without, both with full road gear.
    To continue due dilligence, I will call Dutton and see what is his story.

    They also have a Type 43 Grand Sport 4 seater.

    One possible showstopper is size, though. For those more familiar with Bugattis, how well would a 6'2" 250# guy fit in a 35?

    All advice appreciated.

    Best

    rt
     
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    Great photo of your son. I'm beginning to think the 35 would be a functional monoposto for me.
    If that's your friend, he looks a lot like Brian Redman fom the back. If it is, he was a great guy when I met him.
    Again, many thanks.
     
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    a few in Australia,awesome cars and company to deal with,if you need a reference of a owner PM me and I will give you his email address.
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    great photos..we seem to have several cars here..a t35 with twin t51 filler caps and a t35 with twin fillers but with t35 two eared caps..also a t35 with the correct single filler neck with a two eared screw-on cap....the car with the t51 fillers is a t35 as it has the magneto centered in the dash...the t51 mag is offset as it is driven by one of the two cams...the 35 has a single cam thus the centered mag in the dash....small details...
     
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    Dave, just because you singlehandedly built a t35 more accurate than any of these, doesn't mean you know everything........;-)
     
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    no..i singlehandedly built a t37...the 35b was at one time a real car..i will try to put up a url and perhaps someone could post a pic of engine 200T...this thing has all original internals..even to the rings..ran well when i had it...

    www.wilfley.net/pace/QBugattiT35B-2jpg
     
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    Talked to Jim in Colorado. He suggested that a T38/40 may be had for the same money as a pur sang. I am going to look into this, as if I could get a reasonable T40 Gran Sport for similar cost, I'd rather do that - even a bitsa or project.
    All advice appreciated - thanks everyone.
     
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    Russ,

    We're the same size. I would say this- try one on for size (and drive) before spending any money. Whether you go Pur Sang or T40.. either way.
    One thing that was a big surprise to me with the T35 B (1927, not Pur Sang) was the footwell. I wear size 12 shoes and have wide feet. I didn't have racing shoes handy, so I had to go Barefoot. Not kidding.
    You definitely want to sit in one of these things before signing a check. :)

    Best,
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    thanks Dave - wise counsel.
    Similarly, it was a good thing I *tried* to fit in a Sopwith Pup before I commited a wad o' money.
    Will wait and see after a 'fitting'.

     
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    I'm very interested in these cars too and worried about fitting in them. I'm 6'1, 180 pounds, not that wide but tall for those days. Should I be worried?

    Perhaps I can talk one of the Bug owners at the Mille Miglia into letting me sit in their steed.


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    you would fit in my mate is about 2 inchs shorter similar weight no issue another guy is well over 6 foot the same.
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    No Problem,
    I am 194 cm and 120 kg and own a 37 upgraded with Pur Sang parts, to 35 C Specs, for 12 years.
    The only Problems are wide feet, but you can do something about it. Driving is wonderful, steering light, brakes very good, sound unbelivebal.

    Regards
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    Thanks guys. Love those cars. Hopefully I'll get to experience them myself one day.


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    Love these cars, anyone know if they would be street legal in NY? Hard to believe, not even a place for the license plate.

    By the way, is the driving experience of the Pur Sang the similar to the original?

    Steve
     
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    If your are a guy who is proud of his fake Picasso and fake Rolex you might feel happy with a fake T35 but otherwise go for the real thing!
    Bart340
     
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    I'm not really a fake guy, nor am I a guy who spends over $1,000,000 on a car.

    Were talking about a car which even "fake" costs close to $200,000, so if I want to experience I may have to buy a "fake" one, sorry. But if you acquire a real one, please tell me about!

    And by the way, this seems to be the best "fake" car you can get, considering Pur Sang is somehow involved with Bugatti, after all they did name a new Veyron after them or their name.

    Steve
     
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    LOL :)
    The Veyron Pur Sang is not named after the Argentine replica company. Early Bugattis were known as "pur sang" or thoroughbred, as in race horses. It's a phrase that has always been associated with Ettore and his cars.
     
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    Mr Rosman,
    I know you are an respected Car Dealer-Collector in Europe, but in your Circles 'Real' is something relative. Many, if not most, of the pre War Racing Cars, are Fakes, or at least partial. Faking started in the 50th, same guys invented the Bugatti Trust and now they are judging, which car is real and which not, if you have connections, you will get a BOC Number, for a 100% fake Car.
    Many, of the older collector Szene, build Cars around their knowledge and some parts, or created from one Car, three.
    I prefer to buy a fake Car, befor I buy a Car, that might have some real parts and a chassis number.
    I spent 60000 USD in my Car, 12 years ago and enjoyed every cent.
    What would cost your car and how real it is?
    Some pictures of your Cars. Maybe you could explain the difference.

    Regards
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    Dear Mr. Jorg Anonymous, you claim to know me but calling me a cardealer and stating that in MY circles "Real is something relative" tells me that you do not know what you are talking about.
    What is the purpose of posting pictures of 4920 in a sorry state?
    Do you doubt its originality after the car was rebuilt by the factory in 1930? Explain the difference? That seems to be a waste of time.
    Bart340
     
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    Ya I figured that out.
     

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