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Discussion in '348/355' started by Rain man, Mar 18, 2010.

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  1. Rain man

    Rain man Rookie

    Mar 18, 2010
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    Hello, I have a friend that owns a 97 355. Turns out he has a blown head gasket. Since the motor will have to come out to fix the head gasket, he will do the 30k service as well. Dealing with just this as a starting point, assuming nothing else is wrong, what parts should he be looking into purchasing? This is assuming valves, valve guides, manifolds are fine for now. Not including the building of the water pump just yet. Just for fixing the blown head gasket and performing the 30k service, what would he need? The 30k kit comes with a variety of parts, in addition to purchasing this what other seals and/or gaskets would he need?

    He has not diagnosed the reason behind the blown head gasket yet. He will do this once the motor is out.
     
  2. njb8199

    njb8199 Rookie

    Mar 10, 2010
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    Ricambi sells a 30k service kit on their website.
     
  3. Rain man

    Rain man Rookie

    Mar 18, 2010
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    thanks, I did happen to come across their website while searching on the net. Looks like Ricambi and a few other places sell these kits. I was wondering what parts would be needed in addition to the kit.
     
  4. Monteman

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    #4 Monteman, Mar 19, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2010
    Most people replace the water pump but those have gone sky high in price so it probably makes sense to rebuild versus replace. My car is getting its 30K right now at Competizione and we replaced all the water hoses, exhaust ECU's and motor mounts since it was much easier with the engine out. We also replaced the belt tensioners in addition to the bearings. Most of the time the tensioner bearings are the only thing replaced but we went ahead and did the tensioner itself as well just because they were starting to show a little wear. Most people would encourage you to use Hill Engineering bearings instead of the factory units.

    I'd be more worried about what caused the head gasket to blow. I don't hear of that happening often.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    With a 13 year old car, I would replace everything in the engine bay that is rubber: unles syou know it has been recently replaced. Gas hoses, water hoses, do the manifold recal distribution block,

    Along with the major service itself {belts, bearings, water pump,...}

    In addtion, any time my motor is out of the bay, I detail the bay, and detail the engine, tranny, clutch housing, and suspension so the whole package looks new. At my upcomming major I will be repainting the heads.

    Optional items: brake lines.
     
  6. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    You will want to be thorough about checking everything. Valves, guides, liners, headers and all the usual stuff that fails. Don't get that deep into it and miss something.

    As far as the waterpump, they can be rebuilt for around $150. I have contact info for that if you need it.

    How many miles are on this car?
     
  7. Rain man

    Rain man Rookie

    Mar 18, 2010
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    The car has 23K miles.

    Incase I miss something, what are some of the other 'usual' things that fail? When the motor comes out, I will contact you for the waterpump info, thanks for that.

    So is there a consensus, I should be okay if I purchase a 30k kit from Ricambi and purchase 2 head gaskets, that should cover all the gaskets and seals that I will need?


     
  8. Mezza Notte

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    Dec 22, 2009
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    If you are having to ask all these questions then my question is, does the person doing the work have any experience with a 355 engine out service? Tell your friend to ask the mechanic doing the work how many 355s he has done a 30k service on. If this service is done by someone that does not have much experience with 355s then run and find the right guy. There is much more to these cars then getting the parts and replacing them.
     
  9. ferrari 512 tr

    ferrari 512 tr F1 Rookie

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    top advice brother
     
  10. 348SStb

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    Rain Man: what is your name and where are you located.
     
  11. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well at the very least he'll need the heads and block decked.

    And then there are those "since it's apart, may as well" things. ;)
     
  12. Rain man

    Rain man Rookie

    Mar 18, 2010
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    This is true. I am not sure if the car has been shown to the mechanic yet. He is not technology savvy, but I told him I about this site and all the help available here. So told him I would look into the parts he may need from this forum and order them.
     
  13. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

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    #13 tashier, Mar 20, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2010
    Ya man, you do not want someone pulling the heads and doing the timing on this engine that doesn't know what their doing. It's not a Honda Accord. The timing is critical and not to mention the head nuts are a biznatch and require a special tool etc. etc. Not doing anything is better than doing it all wrong. I was in your shoes a year ago, spent a lot time asking questions and decided to pull the engine myself and then have someone experienced repair it. I think once you have the engine block back together and cams timed, it's pretty much straight forward auto work after that other than the price of the parts.
     
  14. Rain man

    Rain man Rookie

    Mar 18, 2010
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    Justin from spokane.

    Yes the heads will definitely need to be machined. I wasn't too aware of the block necessarily needing machining as well.

    And yes there will be those "while I'm in there" stuff as well. But that will be taken care of after the motor is out. That is why I was asked to buy the items that are absolutely necessary for the motor from a blown headgasket, regardless of whatever else comes up. The extra's will be purchased as they are discovered.
     

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