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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by TZ 750, Feb 8, 2010.

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  1. TZ 750

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    Probably true.

    For me, it's more than the money,
    it's knowing what the problem was,
    and how to avoid it happening again.

    The Ferrari 456 is a delightful "hobby" for me.
    Please click on the below to see how
    I got started on all this.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...=269209&page=2

    I am trying to not over-spend on this project,
    since I have several irons in the fire.,
    and my resources are not unlimited.
    I am also trying to enjoy this "investigation,"
    and share my fun with others.

    I am also using the experience to help me "bond"
    with the car, and to learn to think like "Ferrari" thinks.

    So, this is all enjoyable for me.

    Although I do not have immediate access
    to a car race shop, I am the owner of a motorcycle race shop,
    and racing team, that does well in racing.

    http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=5227&z=3

    This allows me to have some small insight into what
    I am doing here.

    Here's a little background on me:

    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/287/5864/Motorcycle-Article/Salt-Addiction---Scott-Guthrie.aspx

    You can click on the individual photo's for a better look.

    I think most of us here would be entertained by, and enjoy,
    that I celebrated my 60th birthday by setting the world
    speed record for street bikes by going 251 MPH, back in 2004.

    I am on the board of directors of the
    Bonneville 200 MPH Club. (notice the red hat.....)

    I am the only member who has exceeded 250 MPH
    BOTH in a car (1020cc), and on a street bike.
     
  2. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ Honorary Owner

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    All I'm saying is that once having accomplished what you have if I were you I'd simply re-engineer the Ferrari system using newer, better components and drive on.

    The system failed and is antiquated. IMO it galled and debris led to catastrophic failure.

    Cheers
     
  3. TZ 750

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    I agree the system failed,
    and I agree the system is antiquated.

    At this point, I have seen no evidence of gauling,
    so I cannot conclude that was the problem.

    So, I will keep looking.
     
  4. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ Honorary Owner

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    You look at the seals with a microscope?

    http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~cmh7p/ietss08-accidents.pdf
     
  5. TZ 750

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    Went Sunday to the Amelia Island Concours.

    Lots of great cars, several significant Ferrari cars.

    Had a trip down memory lane.

    This car may have been the first Ferrari
    car I ever wanted (this acutal vehicle),
    so had a friend take a picture of me with it.

    Couldn't find the owner for details.
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  6. TZ 750

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    OK

    Getting up another level with this investigation !

    I will get our my NIKON Stereo microscope,
    and my serious camera stuff and we'll see what's up.

    Here's the camera:

    NIKON body and 18-200 VR NIKON lens, set up with
    macro. Special NIKON macro strobe,
    with all the adjustments. Special TTL metering,
    etc. Flash unit can be held off-camera for
    special effects, like glance-lighting.
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    So: Out comes the STARRETT digital micrometer,
    and it is properly "zeroed."

    This is a very new mike, and you will see that both
    the digital display, and the barrel readings are "zero."
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    Measure the "polished" portion of the shaft,
    and find the same measurement !

    I'm not sure I can explain that,
    but the mike doesn't lie.

    If there is "damage," it ain't much !
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  11. TZ 750

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    I will admit, the shaft has me a little stumpted,
    so let's move on to something that might be a
    little more productive, like the INSIDE of the
    shock body.

    These next few pictures are taken with the
    special NIKON photo rig seen in a previous post.

    The lens will not "stop down" enough to show the
    entire shock interior IN FOCUS at one time, so one
    way to view the pictures is to concentrate on the
    portions of the interior that are IN FOCUS.
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    Getting tired of the wrong stuff,
    and more concerned with the right stuff.

    Time to get this baby back on the road !

    The right shock had already been assembled,
    and ready to go in here. (No, the disc is not rusty,
    that's just a reflection) You can still see all the ATF all over
    from the explosion.
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    Time to take out the left side shock.

    You can see that my garage, although big
    enough for two cars, leaves little room for
    work when there are two cars actually in the garage.
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    Dirty old shock on the bench.

    Yes, that is a FERRARI power steering fluid
    reservoir in teh background. That was small money
    on eBay, and I figured it would come in handy for this job....
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    I just love digital !

    This snapshot was taken with an old-school Nikon Coolpix
    ($50 or less on eBay). easy to use and to post.

    Close up
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    Time to start putting the left rear shock together.

    The shperical joing was removed from the old shock
    with a little heat, 2 sockets, and the snap-ring pliers.

    Here's the new shock, just waiting !
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    First up for the new shock will be to install the old spherical element
    from the "eye" of the old shock.

    I am going to re-use the snap ring - looked OK,
    and the spherical element, which is "costly."

    The seal will be new, and is cheap - especially
    compared to the spherical element.

    Notice the "eye has two (2) grooves on each side.
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    Finally get to use some tools !

    At least other than hammers....

    Using snap ring pliers, insert the
    snap ring into the second groove

    First groove will be for the seal.
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    Thge spherical is a press in (rather tight)
    so I took the precaution of using a little
    "assembly lube." Ferrari Red, of course.

    You will notice part of the snap ring
    at the bottom of the "bore."

    "Pair" of grooves easily seen in this pic.
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    As said, the spherical is a press fit into the shock eye.

    To accomodate the "low tech" installation technique,
    we popped the sperical into the freezer for a while,
    and heated the eye with a small MAPP torch
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    I am not comfortable beating on the spherical element.

    Freezing the spherical reduces it's outside diameter.
    Heating the eye enlarges the bore.

    "backstopping" the eye (left below) with a socket allows the element
    to be pushed into the eye, and up against
    the installed circlip. The largest socket is slightly larger
    than the OD of the hole of the eye.

    We had to move fast, since as soon as the frozen spherical
    touches the hot eye, the diameters begin to quickly change dimension

    We pressed in the spherical with a socket (right)
    the same diameter as the outside of that sperical.

    The squeezing with the vise was pretty hard.
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