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How do you guys get your 360's up in the air?

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  1. Superior Detailing

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    Hi all,

    I've got a very thorough detail that is coming up on one of the board members 2004 360 Challenge Stradale. The owner and I think it will be best to get the car up on jacks and take the wheels off so we can thoroughly clean and protect the suspension components, the wheel wells, and to clean, polish and seal the wheels.

    The owner didn't really know the best way to go about it so I figured I'd ask you guys. Having said this, are there any of you who don't own a lift and regularly jack your car up that could explain the easiest way to do this? I searched google for a tutorial and didn't find very much.

    Thank you in advance.

    -Shaun
     
  2. chrmer3

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    thats the kind or owner you buy a car from when they sell. THe OCD owner :)


    I have a 4 post lift in my garage so I can clean under her also..

    For your question, I would say a low profile floor jack. Place in proper position with a jack stand under her also in proper place. Do 1 corner at a time. Weight should be on jack stand not the low profile jack..
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

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    If you have a regular jack, one which requires 4" of clearance, drive the front end up on to a 2"x10"x6' plank (get two, one for each wheel.) that will give you enough clearance to get under the car with the jack, then set it on jack stands as others have suggested.
     
  4. Superior Detailing

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    That was basically what we thought, drive it up on some 2" X 10" then get a low pro jack underneath. When I gave the estimate for the work, I was on my way to dinner in slacks and dress shirt so I couldn't REALLY inspect the underside. I did look (not very well,) but didn't see anything indicating a lift point, are they clearly visible on the undersides provided I can really get underneath her to look next time?
     
  5. away

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    Where are the proper locations for putting the jackstands anyway?

    So far I've always gotten away with being able to jack up the car and put boards under the tires to raise the height enough to service the car. (oil, trans...) Being able to use jackstands would be handy though in some instances.
     
  6. zstyle

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    on eht 360's there will be a circular cut out right in front of the rear wheels ( you can't miss it) and up front you can jack the car up right behind the front wheels or along the frame rail that runs the inside of the fender well.
     
  7. Beauxman58

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    #7 Beauxman58, Apr 4, 2010
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    Hi Shaun:

    I own Beaux Art Detailing in Nashville...

    Until you get your own lift, do you have access, or are you friends with, a mechanic who has a good quality shop that specializes in exotics or foreign cars? Most of those guys have the full on, heavy duty lifts to get the wheel wells up to eye level... makes detailing the wells/suspension/calipers a breeze.
    One of my customers has me do a whole underside, wheel wells, bottom of the car, detail of his Stradale rather frequently and I ring my mechanic friend, slide him a few bucks... a hundred dollars should do it.
    This is a little safer option for doing the car, also much easier, than a floor jack with jackstands.

    You want to make sure to put the wheels back on with a torque wrench and tighten them to Factory spec using, what I call, an opposed "star" pattern for tightening the bolts. After putting the wheels back on, take the car for a short spin and then re-tighten the bolts. Very important, with a Stradale/Scud (and any Ferrari or exotic actually) to recheck the tension of the bolts after an initial few miles on the car.

    A quick aside, a little hint, you may know this already,etc.... take great care with the carbon ceramic brakes on the car you're going to do. Those parts are very sensitive to harsh cleansers, they're also VERY expensive. Take care in not letting the cleansers come in contact with the calipers or rotors.
    Use P21S Wheel Gel for cleaning the wheels, especially if you ever do one and you don't take the wheels off of it, and P21S Total Auto Wash for cleaning around the wheel well/calipers area.
    Wheel cleaner: http://www.properautocare.com/p2wheelclean.html
    Total Auto Wash: http://www.properautocare.com/p2toauwa2.html
    Both cleansers are incredibly effective yet gentle and won't harm the calipers or rotors if some should come in contact with the sensitive bits. P21S products are expensive but they're the best and the safest option for the car you're working on.
    You might want to invest in a Zymol horse hair wheel brush for cleaning the caliper housing as well, they're great for that application.
    http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/zywhbr.html

    Best of luck!

    Gary Bohannon
     
  8. luv2detail

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    A BIG +1!
     
  9. Superior Detailing

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    Thanks Gary for the info. I'm both mobile and shop based and this will be done at the customers home a few miles from both my home and our shop. I've thought of getting a mid rise lift but I can't really justify the expense of a $2,500 lift that I may only use a couple handful of times per year. Not to mention being enrolled at one of the most expensive private colleges in the state of Michigan doesn't really permit it either.

    I do know about the ceramic rotors but I definitely appreciate your reminder as I would hate to foot the bill on a new set of those! I do already have the P21S Wheel Gel as well as the Total Auto Wash on hand. The wheels aren't very bad, plus we utilize steam to do most of the cleaning so no worries there, but again I do thank you.

    I wish we were close enough to shops that cater to these cars but that would require a drive of about 35 min, we are located in a suburb between Detroit and Ann Arbor and most of the high dollar shops are northwest of Detroit; otherwise I would definitely take advantage of a lift!

    Happy detailing Gary,

    -Shaun
     
  10. Beauxman58

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    No problem Shaun, always glad to help out. Sounds like you're definitely on the right track.

    "The wheels aren't very bad"... that's the (VERY) nice thing about carbon ceramics, the wheels stay quite clean without all that nasty brake dust. Makes detailing them a so much more fun.

    Happy detailing to you Shaun and all the best! :)
     
  11. fc2

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    Guys... one of the earlier posts in this thread suggested jacking the car up one corner at a time.

    I heard the exact opposite from a mechanic friend of mine who said it's important not to torque the car's body that way and that you should use two jacks (front and rear) and lift one entire side of the car.

    This topic came up because I had posted before/after pix on Facebook of my wheel removal and cleaning off my 993 Cab.

    Thoughts on this?

    Frank
     
  12. mrpcar

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    #12 mrpcar, Apr 5, 2010
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    A mid rise lift is only around $1500, will be the best investment ever. See pic.

    The traditional way of getting a 360 on all fours would be

    (1) Buy a good quality low profile floor jack and jack stands (with round flat top)
    (2). Buy 4 hockey pucks
    (3). Jack the car up using the rear jack point (circle opening in front of the rear wheel), this is where the Hockey puck can come in handy, place a puck on the floor jack, since the round opening on the jack point is probably smaller than your floor jack cup.
    (4). Place a jack stand under the front jacking point. See pic.
    (5). Lower the floor jack do the same on the other side, at this point you should have the entire front of the car on jack stands and enough room to remove the engine tray cover
    (6). Jack the rear of the car up from the "blade" closest to the side of the car as possible. See pic
    (7). Place jack stand on the rear jack point with the help of the hockey puck x 2 each side See pic.
    (8). Do the same with the other side
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