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348 ignition key won't turn past position 2

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  1. milby1

    milby1 Karting

    May 26, 2008
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    Before bending over for the professional fix (sorry, Brian, if you're reading this!) I have a problem with the ignition key on my 348. It turns to the run position (electrical on, etc.)but not past this to actually engage the starter. Just will not turn. It's the original key, with no damage I can visualize. A copy does the same thing. I can start the car by shorting across the solenoid but this is obviously sub-optimal.

    Saw a couple things on a search but nothing that seemed apropos.

    Anyone out there have a similar issue at some time? TIA
     
  2. First Ferrari

    First Ferrari Formula Junior

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    Is your steering wheel locked, if so you release some of the tension by gently pulling back on the steering wheel while gently turning the key.
     
  3. milby1

    milby1 Karting

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    no, but thanks
     
  4. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    From your description of the problem, I would guess that something has broken or melted inside the electrical portion of the ignition switch. Unfortunately, I don't think you can buy the electrical portion by itself from Ferrari, although I think I read somewhere that there is an interchange possibility with a BMW switch. I just replaced the electrical portion of the switch on my VW Corrado, and it was less than $25. I think you have to buy a complete package from Ferrari (ignition switch assembly and both door locks, with new keys) at astronomical cost, in order to get your hands onto the electrical switch, which is rivited together to keep you from trying to fix it. I posted pictures of this several years ago, but they were lost in the "crash".
     
  5. milby1

    milby1 Karting

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    Ugggh. Thx Miltonian. I will follow up on the outcome of this...
     
  6. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    #6 Miltonian, Apr 6, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2010
    The thing that's scary about this is that once you have something wrong in the electrical portion of the switch, you have no way of knowing what could happen next until you determine exactly what is wrong. If a contact is broken, then it could float into a position where the starter could engage while the engine is running. Bad news. Or it could jam in a position where you could not turn the key at all, and you couldn't shut down the engine or get the key out of the switch. Or perhaps the switch could overheat and melt the wiring harness.

    Lots of Ferraris seem to develop the voltage drop inside the switch, which can be corrected by adding a relay to the starter circuit. But this sounds like a different symptom. Same area, different problem.

    Once the switch assembly is removed, it will be easy to tell if the trouble is in the tumbler section or in the electrical part. Either way, it MIGHT be possible to repair it, rather than replacing it, but you would probably need assistance from a locksmith or a trained automotive electrician.

    Keep us informed!
     
  7. milby1

    milby1 Karting

    May 26, 2008
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    Lots of nightmare scenarios there. I'm only planning to drive it to the shop so if the key gets stuck I'll just have to wait for it to run out of gas. With the wire from the switch disconnected I dont see how the starter could be reactivated while the engine is running.

    Thanks for the food-for-thought. Btw, Daniel from Ricambi says the parts kit you described is around $570, including the new door cylinders as well. Not as pricey as I had feared.
     
  8. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    PM sent to you, Milby.
     
  9. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    Was your shop able to get this problem fixed?
     
  10. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    #10 No Doubt, Apr 17, 2010
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    You should be able to kill the motor by turning the battery disconnect under the hood, yes (perhaps needing also to stall the motor in gear at a stop)? Pulling the fuel pump relays should kill the motor, as well. No need to just let her idle until the fuel runs out of the whole tank.

    Anyway, if your issue is that the key won't mechanically turn to the "Start" position, then I'd simply spray some WD40 and graphite into the keyhole and work the key back and forth (battery disconnected) between Off and Run for a while. Maybe blow some compressed air into the keyhole, too.

    Also, please insure that your steering wheel is precisely in the proper upright straight-ahead position, aligned with front wheels pointing precisely forward. There is a grey area where the anti-theft steering lock could be giving you some grief, if not aligned as above.
     
  11. milby1

    milby1 Karting

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    Thanks Miltonian and No Doubt. It's in the shop now. Should have it back later this week.
     
  12. Brocco

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    Reviving this thread to hopefully help someone avoid some potential nastiness. Please do not put powdered graphite into a lock, especially if you are going to chase it with a liquid, because it will basically turn into metal. I did this to my 2002 once - and apparently the PO did it to my 348 Spider.

    Here is the trick that fixed both for me, from the best locksmith I've ever seen (Mario from Authority Locksmith Bay Area CA):

    1. Get a big ass towel
    2. Get a can of carb cleaner and stick the straw in the ignition
    3. Wrap the towel around the whole works. Seriously, it will shoot you in the eye
    4. Blast the graphite out, with plenty of towel underneath for spillage
    5. DEFINITELY use WD-40 now, as your cylinder has next to no lubrication
    6. Pray
    7. Put key in and gently rock back and forth into operation.

    Mario also said putting WD-40 in all your locks (house too) once a year should keep them nice and smooth.
     

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