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What benefits "if any" does being HISTORIC and 30+ years old bring to a car.......

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Kds, Mar 8, 2010.

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  1. Kds

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    #1 Kds, Mar 8, 2010
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    Good day everyone......I hope someone can help me out here with a definitive answer.

    I am currently trying to sell a 35 year old Porsche 911 in your marketplace. As of January of this year, I understand the EU rules for vehicle importion have changed somewhat.

    -EU tax is 10%

    -VAT varies by country and is also charged on the EU tax and shipping costs

    -Mechanical/safety/emission inspections may be required based upon the final country of destination

    -"Historic" qualfication is now 30+ years old versus 25

    Just what ramifications does being "historic" have in regard to importing a car from Canada to the EU ? This is my question......

    Does it mean that no taxes or duties are assessed at the time of importation.....or just a portion of them? (for example in Canada a car that is 25 + years old benefits from duty free importation, and no mechanical nor safety/emission inspection, but you still pay the Canadian equivalent version of VAT) Does it mean there is no emission regulation or testing required ? Etc........

    Than you in advance for any and all answers.......I sincererly appreciate the help.
     
  2. Simon

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    #2 Simon, Mar 9, 2010
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    Hi KDS
    a lot is still very much country specific. Which country are you importing to?
    Holland for instance has a lower tax for old cars 25+ years while other EU countries have a standard tax for all cars regardless of age.
     
  3. Kds

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    #3 Kds, Mar 9, 2010
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    Hello Simon......!!

    Well, first of all.......I kinda thought it was a European "Union".......ergo, the 10% "EU" duty applied equally to all countries, and the VAT varies by country. I am finding out from another BB where I also posted the same question, that this is quite evidently not the case either, as you have just inferred.

    To answer your question though, the car currently is not yet sold, just advertised on a couple of major websites, and I have had inquiries from the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Poland and Austria........as well as Nigeria :D
     
  4. Simon

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    Hopefully guys from some different EU countries will chime in here with individual rates. I know that Holland has lower rates for vehicles over 25 years while the UK (I believe) has a standard rate for all vehicles regardless of age. VAT in the UK is 17.5%, in Germany 19%. It's all a bit mixed up. Holland seems to be the normal way of import into Europe for a lot of classics so might be worth posting something in the Dutch section. Also don't forget, Switzerland is not in the EU.

    Ton, you out there? You know what the rates for Holland and the UK are.
     
  5. Malfark

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    I brought my 1986 328 GTS into the UK back in 2004, as well as a 1997-model BMW motorcycle. Late last year I imported two vintage motorcycles to the UK. In both instances I paid no duties. As I was not impacted, I have no idea what the guidelines or rates are. Sorry...
     
  6. bigodino

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    #6 bigodino, Mar 10, 2010
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    Hi,

    I bought my 308 a year ago from Switzerland (non-EU) to The Netherlands (EU). Car was thirty years old and original, which meant I only had to pay 6% VAT and no import tax. If the car had been less than 30 years old and if there were questions about originality I would have had to pay 10% import tax + 19% VAT.

    Other reasons why 30 year old cars can be interesting to import to The Netherlands:
    - no road tax
    - MOT is every other year, not every year
    - classic car insurance is very low

    Hope this helps.

    p.s. once a car has been imported into one of the EU countries it can be transferred freely between EU countries without taxes.

    Best regards, Peter

    p.s. disclaimer: I'm not an expert, just telling my experiences
     
  7. Dutchman

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    Peter is right. Import a 30 year old non-EU car to the EU via Holland. You only pay 6% tax. Nothing else. From that moment it is a EU car and can be imported all through the EU without paying extra tax.
     
  8. Simon

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    Thanks guys. I knew Holland had to be good for something.....only joking ;)
     
  9. Malfark

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    Hahaha... ;-)
     
  10. Kds

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    The Dutch importation route was also relayed to me by members from another internet car board overnight.

    I appreciate the help supplied here, as well as the confirmation of this loophole.

    Question however......do your local tax authorities in your home EU country ask for proof that the car was bought from a Dutch citizen beforehand, or is that irrelevant ?
     
  11. bigodino

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    Don't make me come over Simon! ;)

    Actually, I'm planning to come to Switzerland in June this year and try to meet up with the previous owner and shop and Henry and Lilo without whom I'd never been able to buy the 308.
     
  12. RGigante

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    Not really. If you import a EU car to Portugal you still pay the taxes to have it registered. There are no longer exceptions for >30 year old cars in Portugal.
     
  13. PoleApart

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    In Poland historic cars are both VAT and import duty exempt so you would only need to pay a 100 Eur registration fee. It's then an EU car so should be registrable in any of the other EU countries with no added costs.
     
  14. Kds

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    Thank you for all of the replies everyone !!!
     
  15. menoy

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    Been looking this up and it seems things aren't so easy anymore. Car has to be 'unique' to be tax/duty exempt. So mass produced classics (for example a Ford T!) will have the full duty applied :/
     
  16. 33stradale

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    If importing to Holland, say from the USA, what is required to get the car registered there?

    I live in England, and I want to import a car from USA, so obviously going through Holland is the cheapest option, but does anyone know if it needs to be registered with a Dutch owner??

    Thanks, Felix
     
  17. Dino 208gt4

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    Thank you my friend;)
     

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