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Fuel leak warning - F355 Spider

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  1. FMELLOR

    FMELLOR Rookie

    Nov 21, 2009
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    Hi all, I thought I ought to warn anyone with a 355 to check for fuel leaks in the engine bay and also to carry a fire extinguisher. I driving in the Lake district just north of Keswick in the UK when my Spider caught fire about 11.30 yesterday morning. If i'd had a fire extinguisher, it would have been a simple job to put the fire out as initially, the fire was very small (it was just a small amount of fuel burning and not actually the car). However, within 60 seconds, the engine bay was in flames and a few minutes later, my car was totally engulfed. By the time the fire engines arrived, it had burnt to a shell. I'm sure if I'd had an extinguisher, the car would have been saved and would be more or less undamaged.
    Watching your pride ad joy burn in front of your eyes is a surreal nightmare. My girlfriend and I were unhurt, so it could have been a lot worse, but I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone.
    Cheers
    Frank
     
  2. Future ferrari collector

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    Thanks for sharing and good that both of you are fine. Sorry to hear about the car though, no worries mate, you'll get another one in time to come.

    Did you send the car in last year for the fuel line recall from the factory?
     
  3. 2NA

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    #3 2NA, Apr 11, 2010
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    There was a recall campaign in the US to replace these parts and avoid a potentially dangerous fuel leak.

    Did your car ever get this recall?
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  4. FMELLOR

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    Hi, thanks for your comments. I'd not heard of the recall untill I did some research earlier today. I'm not sure if the previous owner had it done!!!
     
  5. eulk328

    eulk328 F1 Rookie

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    Very sorry to hear about your car but glad nobody was hurt.

    How did you initially notice something had caught fire? Do you know in what area of the engine bay the fire started?
     
  6. f1karting

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    #6 f1karting, Apr 11, 2010
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    Get this.. I called Ferrari of Vancouver and asked them to send me the recalls parts.. they told me they would NOT supply, or when I asked, even SELL the parts to me. They told me I had to bring the car in for the recall or suffer without the recall fix. Its just not that simple to 'bring it in' where I live, 200miles and a $300 ferry trip away for a $100 part.

    It f'n amazes me that a dealer has the effrontery to withhold parts on a safety recall issue even if one is willing to pay for them!!

    Ill take my car to Ferrari of Seattle (who I hear have a great rep) before I would grace those idiots with my business again...

    ...is this what FNA intends??
     
  7. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    You previously posted that you had had the car for four years in which case its even more unfortunate you did not get the recall letter last Autumn as my understanding is that Ferrari were very thorough world wide cross referencing to national governmental databases etc
     
  8. Vegas-Guy

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    Sorry to hear about your car..:( But glad you're both ok!!!
     
  9. FandLcars

    FandLcars F1 Rookie

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    I'd be frustrated too. But I can understand that this is a liability issue, and Ferrari is concerned that the kit is installed properly. At least here in the US, I'm sure an owner could sue Ferrari for ALLOWING an owner to install the kit themselves, if a leak and fire still occurred in this area, after the owner installed it. Owner's Lawyer: "Ferrari should have known that owners could make mistakes installing this kit", etc. etc..

    To the OP: Very sorry to hear you lost your car, but glad you and yours are safe. All the best that this is resolved successfully, and you can find another Ferrari that you are thrilled with!
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    #10 Rifledriver, Apr 11, 2010
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    Before slamming the dealer publicly you ought to know Ferrari does not allow the sale of those parts. They are distributed to the dealers for the purposes of performing a free recall ONLY. Under Federal law they are obligated to perform the recall on all affected cars. They are required to perform the job to insure that an important safety defect has been properly repaired. It is policy not to sell, distribute or to use them in any other way.

    If you have a beef take it up with the Federal government.
     
  11. 2NA

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  12. Rifledriver

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  13. Frari

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    Oops, before you have the beef get the egg off your face
     
  14. AceMaster

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    Sorry to hear about this, but happy that you and your girlfriend were not harmed.
     
  15. eulk328

    eulk328 F1 Rookie

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    I'm curious if this update kit is of any use if the clamp in question is not touching the fuel line and has not caused any rubbing/damage previously (as in it was never touching before). From what I've read there is no real defect with the parts. Rather it's incorrect installation of the clamp.

    I believe the new angle of the replacement fuel block helps alleviate incorrect installation but not sure of any other benefit (okay, new o-rings are always nice to have but....)

    Anybody have another take on this?
     
  16. FerrariDeeJay

    FerrariDeeJay Formula Junior

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    When I took my F355 to the dealer for the recall campaign I did have a ruptured fuel line that could of caught fire. The clamp was rubbing the fuel line. It was replaced. It is not worth the risk, the recall campaign is free. To anyone who has not done so, do what you have to do to get your car in asap or fire will be the consequence. It has happened to many unfortunate owners and the poor gentleman who started this thread.
     
  17. eulk328

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    How is it you did not have a fire if the fuel line was ruptured?

    Some people don't live anywhere near a Ferrari dealership so it may not be so simple as just driving it in and getting it fixed. That's one reason I'd like to know if it's only the clamp rubbing that is the issue. If it's not rubbing and has not in the past then it should be essential that the recall be performed.
     
  18. FMELLOR

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    Hi everyone, thanks for all your kind comments. In answer to your questions, the fire started in the left side of the engine bay (same side as fuel filler cap) towards the back of the engine i.e. towards the cockpit. I'm not sure where the fuel was leaking from as I'd switched the engine off so I couldn't see anything leaking. A car driver who was behind me told me that there was an explosion underneath the car and when I got out and opened the boot lid, the fire vanished upwards. Strangely, when I opened the lid, the fire was quite small as the car hadn't caught light, it was just the fuel burning. A C02 or possibly a foam extinguisher would have definitely put it out. However, 30 or 40 seconds later and the engine bay and hood were alight and it would have been much more difficult or maybe even impossible to put out at that point. I guess the important thing is to carry an extinguisher and if it ever happens to you (god forbid) you need to get to it quickly. Some people asked about the recall - I wasn't aware there was one until I'd done a bit of investigation yesterday so to answer your question, I have no idea. It's really ironic that this should happen as I've owned the car for five years and until it caught fire, it had been totally trouble free. I'd done 10,000 miles and other than servicing and a set of rear tyres, the car had cost me nothing. What a dreadfully sad end to a stunning and reliable car. When the insurance pays out (and hopefully they will without too much fuss) I have to decide wether to get another 355, a 360 or maybe have a bit of time off and get a 430 in two or three years when the prices have dropped (so I don't get hammered by the UK depreciation). I do know three things for sure, I will defininitely have another Ferrari of some description and it will definitely be a Spider and I will definitely be carrying a fire extinguisher!!!!
     
  19. eulk328

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    Thanks for the reply. You didn't mention it... so I take it the car was not recently serviced (something left loose or damaged during the service).
     
  20. cozmogeek

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    It would make me physically ill to stand there watching that happen and not be able to do anything about it. :|
     
  21. mont

    mont Formula 3

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    I'm happy for both of you and really sad because of the marvellous F355...

    INDEED THE RECALL MENTIONED WAS VERY IMPORTANT...
    Anyway the advice on the fire extinguisher is always important and both my Maseratis carry one...
     
  22. CarloR

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    #22 CarloR, Apr 12, 2010
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    this was an unfortunate same scenario.. this car was one of the leaders in making ferrari correct this issue and jump on the recall notice.
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  23. eulk328

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    #23 eulk328, Apr 12, 2010
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    Is this/was this your car? Any more details? This also looks like it started in the same location as with FMELLOR's car. It does not look like it started or burned in the middle which you would think it would if the problem were near the center mounted fuel distribution block. Obviously looking at the burn marks in a photo of the car is not ideal and fuel may have shot out in that direction from another location but it makes me wonder.

    It would be unfortunate to get this recall done and then feel content while there may be another part/location that is the cause of some or many of these fires.

    Any photo of the engine?
     
  24. f1karting

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    Perhaps Ferrari should consider replacing the BS plastic fuel filler and vent lines with something with more than a 30-sec fire rating!!
     
  25. f1karting

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    Perhaps it is FNA policy, and I am unfair in giving FoV a hard time, but I think it is utter BS that I supposedly cant even buy them as new/updated parts. Besides, how would they know whether I simply wanted to order the fuel block as a spare anyways??

    I bet if I ordered fuel lines that were part of a recall a few years ago they would be happy to sell them to me.. AND I bet they would be the updated parts!!

    I would think that FoV or FNA, rejecting a parts order requested for components known to correct an issue, knowingly allowing the possibility of a car on the road that has fire risk, (which heaven forbid, catches fire because an owner couldn't update the parts) would face similar liability... alternatively..

    ...If they did SELL the parts, and included a clear notice that they recommend one get them installed FOC at the dealer, where the owner is made aware of the risk, and the owner then installed the parts himself, then IMO, FNA would have done its duty, and the risk would be on the owner.

    Not selling the parts along with due notice is IMO, negligent.
     

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