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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Indeed! I poked at a few of the images again and the IPTC data suggests they're copyright S-utton images in the UK......

    I'll shut up now ;)

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  2. Cavallino Aficionado

    Cavallino Aficionado Formula 3

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    Oh yeah, a magnet could also serve as a trip device?
     
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    Is there any chance that one of the tire pullers is the one doing the work? They only have a split second to make the adjustment before they have to pull the tire but they could get something into a keyed valve, make the adjustment, and then conceal the device under the wheel they take back to the garage. Heres a video with several different views of Red Bull's stops. Its in practise so I doubt they would reveal a secret and potentially illegal device, but its still neat none the less. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK8bcHtyJy0 .
     
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    575 F1 Rookie Owner Silver Subscribed

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    Could there be some kind of magnet on the wheels ?

    As wheels / tyres are changed the magnetic force changes altering ride height.

    Cheers
     
  5. Earthboundmisfit

    Earthboundmisfit Formula Junior

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    The "third fastest" car is now leading both championships. Rosberg is second in the driver's standings, does anyone think Mercedes is second fastest? RBR is third in the constructor's. Does anyone think they are third fastest? I still say Ferrari is third.
     
  6. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    I grabbed this from a different forum, it's the best explanation I have seen yet;

    After last weeks clarification on active suspension most teams expected to see RBR's quali pace suffer. But Autosport's Mark Hughes (and others) have a very interesting and convincing theory as to why the Red Bull is so quick in qualifying.

    Essentially it's the pull-rod rear suspension and the way it works with the current diffusers. Obviously diffusers are highly sensitive to ride height because their effectiveness is largely dictated by the air pressure under the car. Put simply, the cars must run more ground clearance than they want in qualifying (so when race fuel is added ride heights are still manageable) which ruins the performance of the diffuser as the gap between track surface and car floor becomes too large to create the ideal pressures. All the top teams are supposed to have broadly similar designs with the exception of Red Bull, whose diffuser is so compromised by their unique rear suspension layout that it is significantly less effective. Components of the pull-rod suspension occupy the same space through which
    diffusers like to be fed air. That's the disadvantage of the RBR suspension. The advantage (when properly exploited, as it is here) is that the rear bodywork behind the sidepods is noticeably slimmer and less fussy, supplying the rear wing with cleaner air and allowing it to work much better than would otherswise be the case.

    It's a standard balancing act. Do RBR gain more downforce from the optimised rear wing than they lose from the compromised diffuser? The cars ultimate pace suggests they're not losing out, but more importantly this system seems to give them a huge advantage on low ('light') fuel. Because they rely proportionally less on their diffuser to create downforce, and more on their rear wing, they lose less overall downforce when running big ride heights (downforce provided by the wing isn't affected by ride height, downforce provided by the diffuser can be crippled by it). And the effect is compounded. With their super-effective rear wing doing more to push the car low to the ground Red Bull are losing less of their diffusers functionality than teams with less wing. This might explain why McLaren (allegedly suffering specifically with a lack of rear downforce) seem to be particularly hobbled in quali compared to races.
     
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    Great post.
     

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