LEONARDO DIAGNOSTICS, FOR ME NUMBER 1

great job of self promotion buddy...

 

GF- How about some specifics on the diagnostics, about which I have never heard. Like description, cost, applications, host computer requirements, URL, etc. Mainly, will it do PIS on F1 cars?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I am deeply suspicious that the PO is related to the company....but I did a quick google search and here is their website:

http://www.accinni.com/

I saw an Ebay listing it for around $9000 usd.

 

No 575M anyway. Says gearbox, but no mention of clutch.

Did his Italian accent give him away?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

No offence meant, but the tool is very limited in coverage. It doesn't cover earlier models so is no use for shops like mine. Just my opinion. Maybe it is better suited to Europe?

 

This sounds very interesting. I'm gonna do some research on this unit. If it is what you say it is then I will buy one next week.

 

Tom, I believe that Nick may be evaluating this. On paper the ST05 works better for me at this time.

 

But still it won't read early cars? will it for example set a new instrument cluster on a 360 for either F1 or 6 Spd? Understand why we are all cautious about claims from such devices, the US distributor is a 'rice-burner' shop with little direct Fcar experience with this tool and has not answered these questions.

 

I thought the st05 was pretty limited in scope too. I though it did not set pis or say reset and help diagnose suspension for example but was OK for engine. I'd love to be wrong on that. The St was way cheaper than the SD2/3 iirc. Some people dream of meeting a really nice girl. I got one of those. I dream of finding an SD2 cheap.

 

FBB- The ST05 will do PIS and most engine functions, but not suspension faults and probably not instrument panels. I would imagine this unit is similar except for a much bigger and more useful screen.

Just doing PIS would be a really big help and I think there would probably be a market for a relatively inexpensive tool that just did PIS and clutch functions. That is the only thing that really scares us here in the boonies.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I think it is GREAT that anyone has taken the time to even work on such a project. I personally respect GF for making the efforts he has.. vested interest or not.

I believe that once someone is able to sell a unit that could reliably do the 355 and 360 for about $3000, that is where one could make a small fortune selling to enthusiasts.

Jim Conforti has a project planned that would be a benefit to all of us.. the 5.2 motronic map editor and diagnostics tool... that cant come too soon IMO.

We need to support all these guys as much as we can. If Leonardos guys are motivated and capable, then lets get on board.

Jan

 

is there an english language version?

 

Ok guys here is the deal,
I have been talking to the manufacturer for a few months now & I explained to them that if I was to represent the product for the USA it need to work on all Ferrari from 355 up to current models which includes the 458 for the independent workshops. I must say they have been working on that diligently & so far have been great people to work with. I have sent them a list of items it must be able to diagnose from some independent techs & myself. I have no doubt that they will be able to complete the task.

The machine is easy to use & is very fast, much faster than an SD3 or the SD2. We are planning a clinic in the USA probably in the San Francisco area hopefully for the month of June.

I have talked to a few independent workshops to see if they are interested in hosting this event. We require a full range of Ferrari cars in order to test & also some Maserati cars.

I would love to have some of the best independent technicians in the country to show up & watch them put the machine through its paces so questions could be asked etc.

If there is an independent workshop that would like to host this event by providing cars to be tested, please contact me DIRECTLY, I would like someone in the SF area (as far south as Monterey & as far north as Sacramento is fine) In return, I would offer a discount on a machine & still would be able to offer financing.

Giovanni & the crew are real serious players & there are some really cool things with this tool that I cannot talk about at this time, but I can tell you it will make some of us F car tuners very happy!

The 355/456/550/575/F50 software is extra
Maserati 3200 software is extra
The California software is extra
The 458 software is extra

We have a lease/ purchase program avail for our USA customers if they contact me.
I am at 360 410 1949 or at [email protected] or you can PM me.

The tester that was listed on e bay was $ 6,995 British pounds. With duties, taxes & shipping it works out to approx $11,500 USD. For that price what you get is listed below


DIAGNOSTICS FOR
360 MODENA – 430 – 599 – ENZO
QUATTROPORTE – 4200GT

GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
Simple to use user interface, intuitive, complete with descriptive keys.
- Separate unit with high speed connections, Bluetooth (class 1 with 100m range) or cable.
- Human interface with 15 inch TFT LCD touch screen display, innovative compact design
- Diagnostic interface with OBD vehicle plug.

DIAGNOSTICS
Automatic search and diagnostics of all on board ECUs by pressing a single key (Fast Test Function).

On every electronic component the following can be carried out:
1. Reading and erasing errors.
2. Automatic display of Idendification, Hardware number, Software number and ECU manufacturer.
3. Reading of data in real time and displayed in numeric or graphic mode (up to 8 channels at the same time)
4. Check operation of components (i.e. electric windows, lighting, engine solenoid activation, etc.)
5. Adaptation and coding (ECU configuration, coding, recoding, programming etc.).




Professional Online Technical Support

Our experienced technical support team will be able to assist you for any queries, special requirements, more specific functions and updates.



CURRENT VEHICLE LIST



360 MODENA

Dash board
Steering
E-DIFF
ABS TC8/8
Adaptive dumper TC8/8
Air Bag TC8/8
F1 gearbox TC8/8
F1 Gearbox CHS TC8/8
F1 Gearbox ’03 TC8/8
Motronic TC8/8


F430

Dash board TC8/11
Steering
E-DIFF TC8/7
ABS TC8/7
Adaptive dumper TC8/11
Air bag TC8/11
F1 Gearbox TC8/7
Motronic 7.1.1 TC8/7

F599

ABS TC8/7
Air Bag TC8/7
Steering
F1 Gearbox TC8/7
Vehicle Body TC8/7
Motronic 7.1.1 TC8/7



ENZO

ABS TC8/8
Adaptive Dumper TC8/8
Air Bag TC8/8
F1 Gearbox TC8/8
Motronic 7.1.1 TC8/8

MASERATI

4200 & QP

TEHCNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
POWER SUPPLY

- Mains using switching power supply/battery charger 100÷240Vac 50÷60Hz
- In car 12÷24 V;
- Battery - over 2 hours.
DISPLAY
- LCD TFT 15” Touch screen – Resolution 1024-768 (Human interface)
- LCD TFT 5” Touch screen – Resolution 320x234 (Diagnostic interface)
DIMENSIONS
300x370x70



ACCESSORIES SUPPLIED
1. Impact resistant case with accessory housings.
2. Diagnostic cables kit.
3. In car power cable (cigarette ligher-12v)
4. Mains switching power supply/battery charger 100÷240Vac 50÷60Hz

 

That all sounds very interesting but i can't see how aftermarket software can match the latest SD3 software. How does it rate in comparison to the SD3 for setting up the Torque transmitability curve for the Scuderia clutch, for example? Believe me, if there is a cost effective way to gain access to late-model software as opposed to buying an SD4 i'd be very interested, but after shelling out for an ST-05 and being very dissapointed, i'm sceptical.

 

They are releasing the 355 Update (HVAC climate control, Bosch ABS 5.3 Purge & bleed, CAPOTE, suspension, etc….) by the end of May. Because of the older configuration of the 355 they were undergoing some software alteration for the Leonardo interface to allow it to safely communicate with all 355’s along with 456, 550, 575, F 50 etc. The Leonardo is the alternative to the SD1, SD2, SD3 and SD4 all together.

The Leonardo is self-explanatory. In future they will be making a video presentation for it.

The clinic will be held at Grand Prix Motors in Campbell California, which is near San Jose airport. The Leonardo tool will be put through its paces & we are encouraging technicians to attend. This company is serious & some of the software that they are working on at this time is on a different level than what anyone else is doing at this time.

With respect to the SD3, using an SD3 tool in the near future will be like using a windows 95 PC in comparison to how the Leonardo functions and how fast it is, again we encourage any technician to attend the clinic,

We can sit here in front of a PC & type all sorts of Bla Bla Bla, which does not work for me. I am a man of not much talk but of action. I have a reputation worldwide to keep & I am confident with Giovanni & his staff. This company wants to break into the USA with a serious aggressive attack, but it will be done with a tool that works & with technical support, updates & representation from myself along with a financing program that I have in place for the independent workshops in the USA.

It is going to be a good thing; It is time for the next generation of diagnostic tools to enter the market & I look forward to helping & working with some of the most brilliant people in the business.

Just wait, shortly you will be able to re program the ECU from the Leonardo that will really cause a BUZZ!

Any technicians that want to come down to the clinic, please contact me, we will be scheduling it for a Saturday towards the end of June at Grand Prix Motors in Campbell California.

 

Nick- Which ECUs will you be able to reprogram or reflash? It is sounding more interesting, but there are a lot of nuances to reflashing ECUs.

I think your guys should also think of selling a unit that only does one car model with the thought of selling it to individual owners. I would buy such a unit for my 575M if the price were reasonable (less than $2000). An owner could then buy one additional unit of software if he traded his car. Would also let small shop owners buy the system incrementally depending on which cars their customers own.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

There are already a multitude of options to reflash current Ferrari ecus.

The problem is that there are few (IMHO, currently NO) tuners qualified to tune
the later Ferrari drive-by-wire ECUs due to their complexity.

Case-in-point: The switching point for the "exhaust bypass valve" - which is a few bytes
in either a chip or flash image - yet no one seems to be able to fix it - so we have owners
disconnecting vacuum hoses/etc.

Jim Conforti

 

For the Vettes we can buy an HP tuners and go to HP school to learn to tune. The entry fee is very low. Taz is right. If the price point of these kinds of units dropped to do what HP tuners does like license one car to one owner with one machine as well as allow shops to do many car models with many licenses what would happen is that the tuner market would explode. When the internet started and we had Flist with no graphics there was no diy ferrari repair. I was one of the early people there. I was one of the first diy'er to rebuild a 348 gearbox and people thought it was rocket science. Years later everyone and anyone can do it just by following an Fchat thread. I am 100% convinced we ferrari owners can do what vette owners are already doing in a very big way. There will always be a market for your services and those of the pro if for nothing else to fix our blown motors from our bad tunes. But that is nothing new. We are still destroying motors with home brew nitrous and superchargers and learning from our mistakes.

 

Sure you can do it - and I'm happy to help you do it.

(Well, I'm gonna help ME do it on my F430 first, but you get my drift )

But the point remains that simply being able to "flash" one of these ecus doesn't give ANYONE
the ability to TUNE them.

There are tools you can buy RIGHT NOW that can flash Ferrari.

Accini's own "Millenium" device has been sold for years and can "flash" Ferrari.

Two or three people can share one and easily be in the price range Taz wants.

As can Dimensione Sports "Genius", I'm pretty sure the CMD tool can as well, as can
Frieling Racing, and a handful of other tools.

Jim

PS: The documentation of the F360 ME7.3.1h ecu alone is 1351 pages of technical German.

 

Jim- To be real honest, the reflashing is of less interest to me than being able to set PIS and know what is wrong with any other system that goes wrong. There are features in later ECUs I would love to have on my car, but there are problems with reflashing because there are hardware and software differences in the later cars. Reflashing and leaving out some parts of the software (for a steering angle sensor, for example) while including others is beyond what I think is going to happen in the near term. On my 575M, there are seven or eight Shock Absorber ECUs and five or six F1 ECUs, and never mind how many Motronic ECUs, I think twelve to fifteen. All of which have the kind of documentation you mention.

For a basic system like Leonardo, just being able to do what an SD2 will do on my car with a modern interface would be worth the $2000. Reflash capabilities for a couple of ECUs would be a bonus I do not expect.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I agree 100%.. no shops within a 100 miles of here... very few Ferraris... and NO ability to diagnose. I am sure Terry and I are not alone on this one. I could rationalize $3500 for one that do the works on a 355 for personal use. One model, one license.. done.. Leonardo could make some real money from enthusiasts, period.