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Kerbeck hopes to have my Balboni fixed by Summer?

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  1. ammoman

    ammoman Formula 3

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    #1 ammoman, May 5, 2010
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    In the shop for the 3rd. time in the last month for the same problem.
    Something is lighting up all the dashboard idiot lights and shutting down the lift system and traction control systems.First 2 times they replaced this and that.Today i get a call from service and he said he hopes to have it fixed by Summer.I thought he was kidding and he said they have to replace the whole wiring harness.I said good, when do i get it back?He said 3 to 4 weeks.WTF i really thought he was kidding.
    What would you all do or say?
    Eric
     
  2. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    Sounds like trouble.

    You could pull the trigger on the "lemon law" and demand your money back.
     
  3. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    do over.

    get another car.
     
  4. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Sounds like you qualify for the lemon law. I'd ask if they can get it back sooner and let them know if they can't, you'll just lemon law it.

    No reason to be too mad at the dealer, it's probably Lambos fault (I bet they have to send a new harness in, plus that is a HUGE PITA to install a whole harness).
     
  5. ammoman

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    Any idea how to start that process?
    Eric
     
  6. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    are you sure it needs a whole new harness? If so, why? you never hear of that (well, not often)

    any good 2nd opinion places to take the car-other dealers, independent shops, etc?

    Lemon laws usually require the car to be out of service XXX number of days out of time period YYY, usually for ZZZ number of times. it's a real PITA to get that done, especially when there may not be another new Balboni to replace your car with...
     
  7. Shamile

    Shamile F1 Veteran

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    Dear Lamborghinisti,

    **Ouch**....not fun at all.

    It's not possible to ask for a like or equal replacement?


    .....you could always go back to a Diablo.... :D

    sorry.... I had to say it....just not a fan of the every increasing complexity of electronics.


    Shamile

    Freeze....Miami Vice !
     
  8. smooth

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    They should replace it.
    .......don't you think the 'higher-ups' should be saying to themselves: "How 'bout we TRY to satisfy the lilliputian customer base that we still have left here in America." ;)
     
  9. 2NA

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    Not sure but you might try your local attorney general's office. A wiring harness is a pretty basic part of the car and if I recall from "Ultimate Factories" it goes in before the interior. It would be a big job (if they really replace the main harness) and the car might not ever be "new" again.

    I really don't understand why this is necessary. It sounds like a big screwup at the factory.

    Try to get a different one.
     
  10. BLK03MURCI

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    The lawyers do most of the work (at lambos expense), all you would really need is your invoices of the repairs done already and a writen statement. If you dont want a lemon law case because you want to keep the car, a second opnion from another dealer might be a good idea....imo.
     
  11. ilconservatore

    ilconservatore F1 Veteran

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    man, that blows. Whenever I hear 'total wiring harness replacement' I start to think that they're missing something. And its suggested more often than you think! Or maybe the factory put the wrong one in!

    We had a not-as-serious check engine problem that had the us thinking lemon-law as well, but after numerous trips it was fixed. Not solved, but fixed, and only after we did our homework. ;)

    Somewhere there's a great Sports Car Market article about a 911 that was lemon'ed not too long ago. Owner was justified after numerous epic fails by Porsche dealer. Will look for it...
     
  12. ilconservatore

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  13. gday

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    #13 gday, May 6, 2010
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    In NJ, has to have not been fixed three times. He is currrent working on strike three. So the lemon law has not been played out as of yet from that angle.

    On the other hand, the law also says "repaired in a reasonable period of time". Not sure how 3-4 weeks stands there.

    If I was a betting man, I'd say the wiring harness is not going to be the fault. But then again, what do I know.

    -mick
     
  14. tbakowsky

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    3 to 4 weeks sounds about right for a harness replacement. I have replaced the complete harness in a 2004 BMW 740IL (fiber optic issues in the MOST ring). Pretty much the entire car needs to be stripped down to the bare chassis. It is an unbelievable amount of work.

    I had the cars COMPLETE interior out on the floor (including the rear view mirrors), all the carpet and trim in the trunk, and part of the engine compartment. Front bumper, rear bumper, and the doors stripped out. Well over 100hrs invested in that one. Once it was all back together, the car was like new. Everything worked like a charm. 2 weeks after, he smashed it.
     
  15. ApexOversteer

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    At least it's under warranty...

    What the hell, let them try and fix it. It's not your only car, it is in a very rare spec (manual transmission) and color, and if they can't fix it you can still Lemon Law it.
     
  16. HolyRoller

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    Ammoman, here's the official word:

    http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/ocp/lembroc.pdf

    Man, I'm sorry to hear this. I hope they hook you up, and fast. Here in NC they'd have quite an incentive to make it right because our lemon law allows up to triple damages plus (my favorite part) attorney fees.

    If you talk to the NJ AG, put in a good word for me. On a totally separate matter, I'm suing some guys in NJ and Philly that ripped off thousands of people in a "mortgage modification" scam, and on paper at least, my contingent fee may be more than enough to make my local Lambo dealer very happy--but only if somebody freezes these guys' assets before they run off with them. Attorneys general are pretty good at that.
     
  17. 2NA

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    It definitely looks like you qualify. Send the certified letter putting the dealer on notice before the wiring harness work commences. This will give them 10 days to "get it right".
     
  18. Carnut

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    Every state has different rules, I have had 2 lemon cars in PA one was a buyback, the other I was paid to hold on to it, (I had my own shop find and fix the problem afterwards), just keep in mind it can be a long drawn out thing, and buybacks are harder to get, they can take over a year. There is a lemon law attroney that has a beach house near mine in Margate, I'll get his name if you like.
     
  19. ExoticSpotter

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    Just out of curiosity did you have any issues out of your ZR1 you traded for the Balboni?
     
  20. ammoman

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    Yes.The car was a boat compared to the suspension on a Lamborghini.I did not feel comfortable at high speed unless it was in a straight line.
    No mechanical issues that i remember.
    Eric
     
  21. ammoman

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    I got a call from Lamborghini after a request to the dealership to please have them call me.
    They seem sincere about my concerns and said they will need a week or less to discuss and address them.
    I will post the results.I was very polite with them but i am a bit upset about this car and it's issues.This is my 6th. Lamborghini in 5 years and i did have some very bad issues with a previous Gallardo and the way it was handled by Lamborghini and the dealership.I traded my way out of the last one at great expense and i am not going to take this one lying down.
    Eric
     
  22. 2NA

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    No reason you should.

    For what that car cost you certainly should have something fully sorted.

    I'd also be concerned how several trips back for a serious problem might affect the car's future value. Nobody likes a car with a "story".
     
  23. staatsof

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    ???? Wow!
     
  24. roytoy2003

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    There is a very very late build 2010 Balboni 6 speed MANUAL at Lamborghini Chicago-Gold Coast...so there is a car to swap out for yours..
     
  25. qvpower

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    yes. I had returned an sl600 long time ago under lemon law. I just kept driving the car while the lawyer took care of it. you must submit all documents pertaining to service for the lawyers to review it.
     

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