Really?????

Not only that, I may take your devaluing StopTech brakes off your hands as well

Kai

 

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Scotty, I dont know why your apologizing. I sold my F355 yesterday for 39,000. The problem is these f car owners dropped a lot of dough into a car that just isnt worth it. Everybody complains about the service costs vs. the cars worth. Problem is the car is worth what its worth. And the money he or anybody put into it to keep it a RUNNING car is the name of the game. Its just another f car owner too proud and not understanding that there cars are old, service prices are more expensive, and people have many other options. Its not ten years ago people!!!!!! Wake up

 

I think you have a beautiful car with tons of great upgrades. The only knocks I see are many owners, miles are on the high side, driver bolster, and 4 year old major. I know a lot of those are silly, but they're important to the casual 348 lover. I'm not a fan of the wheels, but that's just me. Also, many peps will only pop for the targa model. Nothing you can do about that. My suggestion is to just be patient. I think the economy is your major roadblock. Good luck.

 

Here's the premise I'm working under in my search. Someone in the business of selling Ferraris told me several weeks ago that 50K is "all the money" (meaning full retail) for a low milage (<20K) SS with a recent major, perfect PPI, complete and no stories, etc.

He then provide the following numbers. Deduct 5K for something prior to an SS (more for an 89). Deduct 5K for no recent major. High milage is clearly a deduction, but it is difficult to know how to price it. Deduct for PPI issues (however, leather wear, paint chips, etc. are not deductions--they are accounted for in whatever the milage deduction turns out to be). Deduct from these numbers if private sale. And so on.

The market, as others have pointed out, is brutal right now. I have a Lotus Exige 240S I have thought about selling. It has some (in my mind) nice upgrades. The numbers I am hearing just stink (in my opinion) but reality is reality.

 

ok based on this I'm marching to town hall tomorrow...my 355 is assessed for tax purposes at $55k, what would it take to get them to lower it to $40k?

 

You can thank Obama.

 

To me the car looks awesome and the upgrades improve the car performance. Hopefully you find someone who appreciate them. I surely do !

 

I agree 20 is insane, I had someone offer me 25 for mine and when I faxed him the receipt for the 30K parts from Ricambi the dumbass told me the car was only worth 25 because I didn't use real Ferrari parts I used Ricambi parts WTF?????

 

Well, whom ever told you that was absolutly correct! I applaud that statement..... Finally somebody has some real insight on knowledge of absolute pricing.

 

Yeah, obama is to blame for the price drop of your Ferrari. I am sure he is to blame for your wife leaving you, your dog running away, and your child developing a nasty drug habit. Non of that probably had anything to do with you, or your choices....... But, the right wingers love to say whatever they can instead of realizing that times are changing.

Cheers Idiot.......

 

Ahhhhhh, the world of the 348 'experts', and Ferrari Chat low ballers is alive and well. John's car is a great and well cared for example, and listening to this crew piss and moan over a few grand is nauseating. "Let's deduct this, and let's deduct that". If $5K is the difference between buying a car you will enjoy,or getting a 'deal'.... clearly you should be shopping at the Kia store, as Ferrari's are not for you. Performing a compression test on a modern, well running car is an exercise in stupidity, and all the calculations from 'experts' with regards to worth is painful.

I have had everything from an F40 through TRs, Mondials, 308s and a 348, and if you choose to sell these cars on your own you will have to deal with a plethora of idiots, before the right buyer who appreciates quality comes along, and then all is forgiven. I actually turned down several full price offers on my 348 (and I wasn't giving mine away), primarily because I thought the buyers were nit wits and would not appreciate or care for my car properly. It went to the right guy and we talk several times/week, enthusing about the car and the experience of driving it. I am sure I have made another friend, rather than pushed a car.

All the bargain hunters that want to squeeze the last penny out of a deal, may or may not get a great car, but all the haggling in the world will guarantee one thing........ you won't be driving.

 

Doesn't Iowa stand for Idiots Out Walking Around?

If you don't believe that the current administration's race towards communism is adversely affecting the free market and wealth, which directly effects luxury item pricing (like Ferraris), you are living up to the Hawkeye state's reputation.

 

Dude, relax. Learn to sell. This type of reply to a prospective buyer is out of line. This car will sell but you will need to take a breath before you insult your customer. Language and attatude adjustment will help your cause.

Nice car, nice upgrades, good luck with your sale.

 

Actually i am not from Iowa pal. I own 11 recycling plants throughout the US, Iowa happens to be one of them. So, your statement really doesnt effect me. Since you seem to be in love with these cars a little too much, than why dont you sleep with one? I am sure your wife has long left you......

Communism????? Are you high????? I think you need to travel a little more. I have traveled the world for my business. Usually 8-9 times a year at various trade shows. We are so far from that, its not even up for discussion. Our current administration didn't make your Ferrari less valuable, the year, mileage, and the fact its a used car made the vehicle depreciate. Do you remember when times were great, cars still decreased in value over time. As for the tire kickers, and the people who haggle over a few thousand: Those are the type of people older Ferrari's (348, 355, 456, etc) attract because they are finally at a price normal income people can now afford. And, when you are now dealing with normal buyers, you get the normal car purchasing antics.

There's your answer smart guy.......

 

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It's not the car, it's the economy.

3 years ago you would of got 45K all day long.....

 

copterjon, hang in there man, and best of luck through troubling times. I love your car, having seen it in person a few months ago in AZ. Its a great example of a 348. It doesn't have crazy or useless mods that "devalue" it. The only thing that some buyers may or may not like are those rims. I like them MUCH better then stock 348 wheels, and they look even better in person, but taste are somewhat subjective.

 

Geez!!!!!I take a few days off to move and the usual peaceful, fun 348 forum of 'Brothers' I love is in turmoil. Let's take a breath and put this into perspective by talking to the original owner shall we........Hmmm, that would be me.

1. I bought the Ferrrari in question in '06'. I had it delivered to Huntington Beach California directly to the Ronal wheel company where it was fitted with wheels and new rubber. I researched many wheels before making my decision and chose the shoes it is currently shown with. I love them and if you review the last four years of this forum you will find that many here do as well and have asked numerous times what they are and where to get them.
Personally I don't like the stock wheels for many reasons but that's my PERSONAL OPINION. Ever wonder why there are so many wheel designs...Let's think now...gee it's to PERSONALIZE the vehicle to individual owners. If you like the stock wheels cool but that's YOUR OPINION and the same holds true for any modification that is done to ANY car. Heck, wer'e car guys here and I'm sure there were chariot guys in the day that made changes to their chariots to personalize them.

2. I also had the major done when I got the car by Eugenio. I waited in line just like everyone else to get one of the best guys on the planet. I also had him put the Hyperflow cats that are on the car and love the way they make the Ferrari sound in addition to the Tubi. Craig at Tillack / Fast Cars put on the monster brake kit all around and they not only look great but perform beautifully.

3. As many of you know by reading John's ad I did many mods and upgrades to the car that I PERSONALLY wanted to make the car mine. If you like like them and most do, fine, if you don't like them that's fine too but make YOUR car the way that suits YOU. I spent over 20 thousand dollars on upgrades on this 348 before I was finished and it is one of the finest 348's on the road today.

4. If you like your car totally stock... that's cool too but I can't stand the guys that put other people down for doing what they want to their own cars...it's YOUR car do what you want to it, period, and screw getting a consensus from anyone. Granted a 275 GTB or a 246 Dino would look pretty lame with 20" dubs but these are newer cars and there is a transition period to being a classic. I'm a car guy and always will be as well as being in the car business so I've had a few years behind the wheel of some cool rides both on and off the track.

5. I agree the economy has hit the after market for all cars not just Ferrari's very hard and that is the reason John has priced his car I think so fairly...hang in there John, the right person, at the right time will come along who appreciates the car and will make it their OWN dream come true. John's car is a well sorted and beautiful vehicle and if the economy was better I would buy it back without hesitation.

6. In closing, a few years ago I had a ranch in Durango Colorado with 40 acres that backed up thousands of acres of BLM land. I've had horses all my life and had horses at the ranch. A friend that had never ridden before would tag along on rides from time to time. I taught him everything I knew about riding and care for the horses but after a few months he was telling me about my horses and I shouldn't do this or that because something he had read on the internet...all of a sudden he was an expert. Lesson learned and that should be observed by some here in this thread 'a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing'. Too many so called 'experts' here that really don't know the right end of a horse...especially a prancing one.

Hey, finally a shout out from the 'Bush' to my pals down under, Papster and James.' When are you guys coming up North to see your American buds?

Peace, Out....Bush

 

Bush, making your car personalized is fine and dandy, when it comes time to sell however, you want the widest market. People are trying to get the best prices and using that as a reason or excuse, and likely one reason why mods dont add re-sell value. Strangely trucks, especially 4x4s seem to be an exception, many items increase market value on them.

I like to change cars also to personalize a little and improve where I think its needed to fit me, and you almost always come out better selling the parts separately later. I've done this many times also, and sold a few with the modifications. Also strange, as copterjon noted, in this case, most of the changes are the first thing people want to do when they buy a 348 if you look through this forum, and would cost more going from stock to that yourself, but they wont even pay a portion of it as PART of the car. Just the way it is. Every once in a while, you find a true enthusiast that recognizes the value and savings of the work already done (smaller pool of people).

I would argue the majority of car enthusiast like it just the way it sits though if they would go look at it in person. Having seen this excellent car (I have a TS, and was actually thinking I would like the extra stiffness of a fixed roof like this car) I can honestly say nothing was changed in poor taste, and the only thing that I think would even bring up an issue of varying taste for someone that wants a nice 348 are the high quality wheels, and that is an easy fix unless you want to go back to the smaller ugly stock ones. I have 355 wheels on mine to clear the brakes for example with only a hair of space.

 

John, now you are not speaking the truth. Your first statement is correct--I would rather have an SS. Having said that, I would consider a nice non-SS example. That is why we exchanged messages. I NEVER EVER made you an offer, nor suggested anything about pricing until earlier in this thread, at which point your attitude toward me had eliminated any interest I had in the car.

As others posted, selling these cars can be as much about seeing them go to a good home as the money made, and the way that happens is with a good exchange. So you know, I wrote your car off when I asked about original parts and you said something to the effect of "Why would I keep that crap". At that point, I realized we would never be on the same page.

Would I buy your car for some absurdly low price--sure. I bet others on this thread and on this board would as well. Would I buy a car without a compression and leakdown--maybe, if the car was local and I had the chance to drive it several times.

I showed you the respect that your car, at least, deserves by not making you any kind of an offer, and dropping the discussion when I realized the deal likely wouldn't work. You should know, when you initially offered your car for 40K here, I would have paid very close to that had we been able to engage in civil discussion.

Peace as well.

Scotty

 

Yup, Tex totally agree. What makes a car special to one might not to another...that's what makes the world of cars go round. Heck, if we all agreed on what our cars, motorcycles, boats, etc. looked like it would be pretty boring and the aftermarket manufactures would be out of business. John will find a good home for the 'Coptermobile' soon with a little patience. The bottom line is it's just a crappy economy and timing. Now can we get back to what makes the 348/355 special....great guys.

 

I'm not trying to be morally superior here, but I do have to say that you're doing the same thing you are complaining about. You're using language that you would never use face to face. Fact is - if I was American, and looking for a 348, I would not go to see your car just from having seen your posts in this thread. Someone who is so abusive (****, F U, moron, idiot etc etc) about people in public does not give me confidence in doing a sale with.

This is just well-meant advice - take a step back, take a deep breath, and just relax and let the car speak for itself. If it is deserving of a decent price, as I'm sure it is, it will get one.

One final tip - sometimes it's better to just take a bit of a hit, what you think is a ridiculous price now could well be a great price three months from now.

Maybe you should even take it off the market for a little while, get some fresh energy on the process. It seems you're upset with the whole world at the moment which doesn't help matters.

Just my $0.02

Peace 2U2! And best of luck.


Onno