Got nailed speeding in my fcar

I have a feeling Prius drivers also try to weasel out of tickets they deserve. Its not reserved for Ferrari drivers.

Let me remind you again....Im not giving him crap for speeding. Im no saint and have done my share of speeding. Im giving him crap for being a weasel.

 

What happened to the right to trial and defense? That's all part of the game you seem to think he was playing. Fight it, look for a technicality, plead it down etc... How do you know the officer was following procedure? Accepting a ticket and the damage it does to your insurance and record is just plain stupid.

OP: Look into a Beltronics STi Driver. They can't be detected by Spectre RDDs.

 

MS plead not guilty and went to trial. At least she put up a fight.

 

Yes but in your case the cop helped you out, drastically reduced your measured speed. He falsified evidence in your favor.

What if he was having a really bad day and for some reason hated Ferrari owners and falsified evidence in the other direction, giving you a ticket for 200mph and adding on reckless driving/etc.

Do you still leave your fate to the officer and accept whatever punishment is to be doled out or do you only do that when things are being manipulated in your favor?

While your girlfriends comments may be sickening to you they really are close to the truth. I know the system is corrupt and unfair. I know it is about generating revenue. Knowing these things makes me think that laying over for "whatever punishment is to be doled out" is just being irresponsible to myself.

 

If you are not guilty then and being falsely charged you should fight tooth and nail with everything at your disposal and I would be the first person to stand up and help.

if you are guilty you should accept whatever punishment is given to you as long as that punishment is not unusual for the particular law you broke.

Seems simple to me.

The OP didnt say "Im afraid they may put me in the slammer". He said he didnt want ANY ticket or punishment for what I did. Go back and re-read his posts.

Very very different things in my eyes.

When i was pulled over I knew the penalty for what i did meant that they could take my car. I knew it and I still chose to do it. So if they had taken my car I would have willingly handed over the keys.

 

"Arguing" / standing up for yourself is not the same as ranting / raving / being disobedient. When I told a friend of mine who is a higher-up in the Denver area Police Department what went down, his response was, "That Officer was being a pric*".

 

Jerry....Jeeerrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy!
I see another thread coming from you about relationships and breakups!

 

Some things should be protested and not accepted because a mob voted something so. And as they saying goes, "sometimes the majority is simply wrong."

Overturning speed limits will not happen because of the revenue generated, and there is validity to the harm principle where excessive speed is wrong (school zones). But I think a citizen should act as they see fit, take it or fight it based on their own desire.

It is very dangerous to submit to the state just because something is a law, the reason IMO, that serving on a jury is sacred in this country, you have the ability to impeach the integrity of the law itself. Submission is, of course, the ultimate goal of the state, for citizens to morph into subjects and not question authority.

 

lol no no...shes fantastic. Very few people agree with me when it comes to situations like this so I dont hold it against her

 

Yes, my point in your case is you were guilty but the officer decided to falsify evidence in your favor. If he decided to give you a ticket for 200mph you were still guilty but now facing charges more serious than the actual crime.

Either way you are guilty but you are only ok with an officer bending the truth in your favor.

What constitutes punishment as being "unusual".

I think a reckless driving conviction is unusual for 20mph over the limit as I would not face that punishment in my state.

If only this cop falsified the evidence just 5mph in the OP's favor.....

 

If the judge decides to throw out the case against the OP then so be it. Thats their decision just like in my situation it was the officers decision to reduce the speed.

Thats different than trying to weasel out of things.

For example. If one of my employees came to me and said they screwed something up I would be far more lenient than if they tried to weasel out of the responsibility by making excuses. Admit your guilt and then let the pieces fall where they may.

As far as what constitutes 'unusual'. I would say jail is unusual. I would say the misdemeanor is harsh but not unusual in his state (your state doesnt matter)

Also...we dont know how fast the driver was really going do we ? Maybe he was going 100+ ? We dont know if he WAS driving recklessly...maybe he was ?. I would bet there is a reason he got the reckless and not reduced to just a regular ticket. You are assuming he was just going for a safe brisk drive...I am assuming he is guilty of the crime he was ticketed for. Different perspectives. In regard to traffic violations I have found that most people ARE guilty of the crime they are charged with.

 

Except for these people...

"About 10,000 people in the United States may be wrongfully convicted of serious crimes each year."
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm

Edit: I realize that these are not traffic violations (most), but this goes to show you how well your precious justice system serves you.

 

That's ridicolous.

That's why the OP needs to fight this.

Going 20mph over the speed limit is not equal to a permanent criminal offense.

Absolute bogus.

Kai

 

What are you exempt so its our justice system not yours?
Has Naples recently seceded from the Union?

 

I saw a friends son last night who's mid-twenties, 5 year vet of the NYPD. He told me he was going to traffic court today. Said he usually tells the Judge he doesn't recollect or other excuses. He said he has to give tickets to fill his quota, but doesn't have to get them paid. He said a bunch of his co-workers feel the same way.
A few people in traffic court today had their day made.

 

From an old thread-

Well, after a quick search the picture is so much clearer now having heard this version of the story.

In my opinion, getting pulled over and dropping the name of your state trooper friend so he can bail you out is in fact -the- definition of "trying to weasel out of things".

For those of us that aren't so fortunate to have friends in law enforcement hiring a lawyer is a good alternative.

 

that was a different time. i was 18 or 19 and a stupid irresponsible kid.

i am now 42 and my thinking is very different (as i hope most peoples are from when they are 18)

the situation i am referring to in this thread happened when i was around 35 in my viper

 

So you got pulled over for the exact same speed some 17yrs after this "lesson in responsibility you will never forget". So much for that.

It may have happened when you were 18 but you posted this in 2006 when you were 38-

So at 38yrs old you were thankful that you were friends with a state trooper that could help you weasel out of a 140mph ticket. Now 4 years later you say it's sickening when you hear of people trying to find a loophole to get them out of their responsibility.

 

Jerry,

Sorry to say, but you should listen to your GF.

It's called the justice SYSTEM for a reason.

The SYSTEM eats up a large percentage of un-represented defendants.

Very similarly to you, I was once radared doing 120+ in a 65 zone - I pulled over before
he even turned on his lights - I knew I was cooked - was very polite - and again similarly
got a ticket for 80 in a 65 - he gave me a break.

He also gave me a further break and told me if I went to court - he'd likely let the judge
suspend it.

I did so - judge suspended it - paid a small fine - nothing on my record.

It's called a win/win.

I have since found out that an attorney - generally a respected/connected local attorney
who is friends with whichever judge - can get you consideration you cannot otherwise get
yourself.

If you want to be the guy to throw yourself on the grenade - you go do it.

Me, I'll pick the 'nade up and unscrew the fuse before the thing blows.

My 0.02...

If you are pulled over for ANY offense - you shut your mouth - and hire an attorney.

 

+1. My father recently got hit in VA 83/70. Cited for reckless. THIRTEEN over on interstate in light traffic conditions does not constitute reckless, but it was >80 so by VA law it was.

IMO, it's not about weaseling out of a cite, rather defending against VA's draconian speed laws.

OP, just search the web/yellowpages for traffic lawyers in the area. My father did that from NY, found a guy who got it reduced to something far more palatable for $300 or $400.

 

As a police officer I have a few points:
1. Getting a traffic ticket doesn't make you a criminal. Everyone knows the rules (whether they like the rules or not), thus if you get a ticket either pay it or contest it. Its your right to do so.
2. Traffic enforcement is not aimed at increasing revenue (with the possible exception of small towns). Most cities see very little of the money gained from the citations.
3. Everyone loves traffic enforcement from police until they are the one who is stopped. Most people do not realize how many people complain to the police about lack of traffic enforcement.
4. I would argue that speeding does contribute towards accidents. I'm sure everyone here is a good driver but other citizens tend to under estimate vehicles that are speeding and will change lanes in front of them or pull out from a side street.


That being said there are several issues that you can contest:
1. Radar maintenance
2. Visual estimation of speed (radar is supposed to be used only as a verification of the officer's visual estimation).
3. Cars in between you and the officer.
4. Clear audio tone - this shows that there is no interference causing a higher speed to show on the radar.

Virginia sounds like a tough state. Start with a good attorney.

 

Thank you so much for posting that, it is extremely funny and amazing.

 

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourCar/speeding-youll-pay-higher-taxes.aspx
Click on link for more

"You could say that it was born out of the deteriorating economy," Police Chief Dean McKimm says of the ramped-up enforcement. Handing out more traffic tickets was a way to both boost traffic safety and bring in dollars.

"We were facing layoffs, and we were trying to think outside the box," he says. "I'll be very blunt about that: It does save jobs. It was kind of a no-brainer."
Canton's experience may confirm what you've long suspected: Tickets sometimes have as much to do with revenue as safety. And now, as a soured economy and other factors further empty government piggy banks, many are turning to law enforcement to serve as part-time "tax" collectors -- with guns and badges.

Many states and cities no longer even try to hide that fact.

 

In other places, when you go to prison, from the other inmates you learn how ...
... to pick locks, to bypass alarms, to make shivs, etc.

In Northern VA, when you go to prison, from the other inmates you learn how ...
... to heel & toe.


There was a case in VA, a while back, where a criminal arrested during a traffic stop got released because the state ruled that the officer wasn't supposed to check anything else during a traffic stop.

The lawyers have a large lobby in VA -- between the "automatic reckless", and the (repealed before it could be challenged) "sin tax" on top of fines, VA laws often seem mostly intended to force you to need a lawyer.

(I think the VA inheritance laws also require your executor to use an attorney.)

 

You're grasping at straws and using out of context posts to try and prove your point.

If you read the entire thread you pulled that from you will also see that I wasnt saying it was a recent occurrence. It was brought up that it happened when I was a kid.

And I did learn a lesson in responsibility that night. But like I said Im not perfect and I do speed on occasion. I believe i also said several times my issue with the OP isnt the speed he was going...its the attitude of not wanting to take responsibility that I take issue with.

If he is 18-20 then I will cut him some slack. The older he is than that the more immature he comes across.

You dont have to agree with me. I dont have to agree with you. But if you think you are going to find me putting my foot in my mouth you are very wrong. Wont happen.