Got nailed speeding in my fcar

Well Jerry I think it allready did, unless of course there's a statute of limitations on hypocrisy.

Aside from that I can agree to disagree.

 

I have read all the posts. Seems to me that if you fight the ticket they will reduce you to below 80mph if you accept and move on. You are only a few miles an hour over the 80 limit. I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

If what you are saying is you are just as immature today as when you were 18 then yes, I have to agree with you.

I guess i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. My bad. Sorry, wont do it again.

We shall agree to disagree.

 

No Jerry,

I refer to post #118, where I explained that while the story may have occurred when you were 18yrs old, you were 38 when you referred to the occasion, stating "thankfully I was friends with a State Trooper".

So, if you are saying you are greatly more mature today than when you were 38 than yes, I have to agree with you.

My opinion of your views being hypocritical will continue to fall under our agreement to disagree.

 

It's not the ticket so much as the insurance premium. Reckless driving is like a DUI. It will kill you. All of us speed sometime. Sometime we don't even mean to. Sometimes we do. I don't get the high and mighty thing myself. The penalty seems so excessive to me. That is my opinion.

 

Thats some obfuscation there...

Like I said I was 38 re-telling a story from when i was a teenager. And yes even to this day I am glad I had a state trooper relative to pull my teenage ass out of the fire.

Watching you try and avoid addressing that is very amusing to me. But hey its a chat forum and I shouldnt expect anyone to ever admit to being wrong.

 

Apparently in Virginia, not using turn signals is as bad as a DUI.
The State Government there is pretty screwed up.

 

Not bogus at all. Its the law. If you don't like it fight to change the law. I have exceeded the speed limit many times. Been caught a few times. Was once thrown in Jail for reckless driving, and it was absolutely true. But...... pleeeeeeese don't come crying to F-chat about your stupidity if you get busted. Pay the fine and try not to do it again, or at least not get caught again. The OP makes Ferrari drivers look like ass hats.

 

Thank you for your post.
It is always good to hear from the guys (and gals) on the otherside of the radar; and it is good for officers to be part of this car-loving community called FChat...
I find the apparent emphasis by our "public servants" (I say that to make a point, I do not mean that in a pejorative way) on "speeding enforcement" to be annoying though. Around here recently a fellow Doctor's wife was beaten to death during the day, while he was at work. My wife gets a ticket for going 25mph in a 20mph (school zone, but large wide open road), never had a ticket in her life and does she get a warning...no...she gets a $130 ticket and 3 points. Now, as a genrally law-abiding Doctor who pays huge taxes, I find that troublesome for some reason. It is easy, and safe, and revenue generating to pull over nice looking housewives in expensive cars; and probably a little more gut-wrenching, and dangerous, and no revenue for going after "real" criminals.

 

I'm not avoiding anything, what have I not addressed?

You preach about personal responsibility and your disgust for people trying to weasel out of tickets. When I find that you've done exactly that you then state it doesn't matter because of your age?

Please tell me then, what is the correct age to go from weaseling your way out of tickets to taking it like a man?

I'm surprised then that you would be lecturing the OP without knowing his age. He may be well within the age limit of accepted weaseling.

 

This is one amusing, funny ass , reply. My hat is off to you. I'm still laughing.

 

If you look back through my posts (though I believe you are probably skimming them not reading them) you will find I said if the OP is 18-20 I will cut them some slack as we were all stupid kids at one point...but every year older I lose more and more respect for them.

If over the age of 35 I shudder in disgust.

You may disagree but thats pretty clear so dont try and make it seem like I didnt address it...

PS I didnt say 'it didnt matter because of my age'. I clearly stated I was a stupid kid. However I do believe stupid kids should be cut some slack.

You lost this debate long ago but keep grasping at straws.

 

The OP needs to get an attorney and fight the ticket. This guy also got tagged for going too fast, and look what happened to him!
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But shouldn't stupid kids be taught a lesson? So that they don't learn it's ok? Also, kids 18-20 are the worst drivers and the highest accident group. Of course the latest problem with kids is not speeding, it's texting while driving. Ugh.

As for personal responsibility, it's a fricken speeding ticket for 84 in a 60. It's absurd that this should be a criminal offense, which is what the OP was going on about. (Speeding laws in the US in general are absurd as implemented.) It's hardly a "personal responsibility" issue.

I can't understand why you've turned this into some kind of moral argument. Which of course isn't winnable no matter what "side" you're on.

While I support the OP, I will say that he is of questionable intelligence for coming on to a car forum for criminal legal advice. But a weasel? Please. That's a bit high and mighty.

 

Jerry, have you been reading the same thread or are you just in denial?

Fact #1- You are disgusted by people who don't take responsibility for their actions and weasel out of tickets.

Fact #2- You have weaseled your way out of a ticket and did not take responsibility for your actions.

See how that kind of ruins your credibility? I really can't imagine what it would be like, living your entire life being disgusted with yourself. You should really be a little easier on yourself, and the OP.

 

You are intentionally being obstinate.

I am disgusted by many extremely irresponsible things I did in my youth. Im suspicious of anyone who doesnt feel the same about themselves.

But that was then and this is now.

Just because someone may have taken drugs as a youth doesnt mean they cant be vehemently against it 20 years later. Just because someone was an atheist as a youth doesnt mean they cant be a Christian 20 years later.

See the point ? I know you do, you just dont want to admit you took my 4 year old post out of context.

So yes, as a 19 year old I did everything I could to avoid being responsible for my actions. By the time I was in my 30s I was a very different person with an extremely high moral and ethical standard.

Your argument is based on the concept that people cant change over 20 years. And before you say my post was from 4 years ago you selectively picked what you did and while it was posted 4 years ago it also says it happened many years prior. You just like to leave that part out because it destroys your point.

We can disagree on our opinion of the OP's situation but if you cannot honestly see how something one did as a kid is not hypocritical to who they may be 20 years later then really theres nothing more to say.

I enjoy a good debate but when the other side gets irrational and chooses to ignore pertinent information then it just becomes boring.

 

Stupid kids should be taught a lesson. I was told if I ever do it again he is letting me go to jail...and he meant it.

I didnt drive like that again until I moved several states away and enough time passed so I forgot the lesson...until I was pulled over again around the same speed.

My intention wasnt to turn it into a moral debate. I spoke my opinion and some felt the need to address my opinion. So Ive been responding and like many threads it has veered off course.

Im also not trying to 'win'...nor am i really trying to convince anyone to see it my way. However trying to make me seem like a hypocrite through manipulating old posts and obfuscation is kind of shady. I have more of an issue with that than anything else.

 

I got a speeding ticket when I was 17. I said yes sir / no sir and it never crossed my mind to argue with the police officer. I showed up in court in a nice suit, plead guilty, paid my fine, and moved on with life. Seems like these days no one wants to accept responsibility for their actions. It's really rare to see someone actually admit they did something wrong, say their sorry, and stand up like a man accepting the consequences. Everyone wants to weasle out of everything, or come up with some reason why they're above everyone else......it's really sad

 

It seems that we all feel that Virginia's speeding law is unfair but differ in what the appropriate response should be.
Some seem to be suggesting something like civil disobedience where unjust laws are broken in order to point out and possibly change the injustice.
I would point out that one traditional tenet of Civil disobedience is that the violator acknowledges his actions and risks the consequences while fighting the injustice from within the system.
This is different from simply looking to avoid the consequences through whatever means possible.

 

Thank you for your informed, rational, and very diplomatic comments

Most Officers are like you ----- however, I do wish more were ---- then both the Police and the Citizens would enjoy their lives a bit more

 

LOL --- That's the LEAST of that guy's problems..... With physical characteristics like his, I'll bet he was traded nightly for 5 cigarettes (poor guy couldn't even warrant a full pack) while he was in county lock up!

 

...or ended up the wealthiest guy in the world.

 

Even still (and, yes I suspected that was indeed Gates, in his youth), money can certainly buy you corrective surgery to have your sphincter restored ---- but, no amount of money is going to wash away the memories

 

Just when I think we can't agree on anything you go and prove me wrong.

Cheers

 

This has been my catch phrase at work the past two days.
Thanks!