Got nailed speeding in my fcar

annunaki,
you still don't get it. the punishment does not fit the crime. if it's not a fair set of rules, you should not happily submit to getting reamed by the system. other than his desire to not get reamed, i don't see the op whining or moaning. where do you see that? if it was a matter of a fine, no problem. if it was a fine and increased insurance premiums for a few years, it's harsh but that's how it goes. however, he is facing the same penalties as assault, etc., with very serious consequences to his record. that is absolutely ridiculous.

it's even more ridiculous when you think about how selectively this law is applied. why should sports cars owners be singled out when soccer moms careening around in suvs pose a far greater danger? and when off-duty cops routinely speed at much higher rates because they know they can get away with it?

certainly, he could have phrased it better. not "accepting it" is absurd, as he does not have the choice to accept or not accept the court's verdict, whatever it may be. however, he can certainly try and make the court rule in his favor, via attorneys, arguments, luck, technicalities, cunning, whatever.

to take the perspective to an extreme, what if speeding was made punishable by death? would you still argue that, since the penalty was known in advance, anyone getting caught should just submit to the punishment? using your logic, that would be the only reaction one should have.

if someone falls off a horse and gets paralyzed from the neck down, i know you won't be callous enough to say "that's harsh, but you knew what was at stake".

same with speeding in virginia. the penalties are draconian, the laws are beyond ludicrous, and should be fought tooth and nail. the punishment must be proportional to the crime. it's not rational to say "that's harsh, but you knew what was at stake".

 

I'm not sure what the angle with the off-duty cop thing is but if you see police speeding call in and complain. Yeah the officer may not get a ticket but he has to endure scrutiny from his/her supervisor. This can be more stressful.

I don't have any statistics but sports cars are targeted no more often than any other type of car.

I tend not to give kids breaks when they are acting foolishly while driving. It is my hope to send a strong signal to them that there are harsh consequences to this type of driving. I would rather they get a citation then be involved in a high speed accident. It is easier to call a parent and tell them that their son was just driving recklessly then it is to tell them that their son/daughter is hurt/dead.

 

I tried to report a cop that was speeding at the police station.
I was called a trouble maker, told to shut up and go away.

 

I don't know of a jurisdiction where police cars are not exempt from speeding laws, lights on or off. And many police don't like to drive in the left lane at or under the speed limit on the freeway because they will back up traffic since nobody wants to pass them.

And if they do pass them..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGkcvyCxnU&feature=related

 

Witches used to be burned, and drowned. It's a system....deal with it! You have the luxury of representation. Now what if a witch was caught speeding? Let's discuss lol

 

I applaud you for taking responsibility for your actions. It gets so old listening to folks work overtime to ensure laws apply to their neighbors but not themselves. Think a law is unfair then elect representatives that mirror your viewpoints. Put the same effort into changing a law rather than "beating it".....bottom line is if you commited the violation then pay the fine, if not, then you have a right to your day in court. I suggest you tell the judge something other than "I won't accept it".

 

Wow, this is kind of a crazy thread. Without knowing all the details, I'm sympathetic to the OP. If I were in his shoes, I would want the reckless driving charge thrown out, even if I were to be convicted of a speeding offense, for obvious reasons that have been covered by other posters and must be obvious to any rational person. Free Bobby355!

Aside from that, what is the worse crime here, 20mph over, or the thread hijacking that has gone on by other F-Chatters here!

 

This guy needs to be fired. If he can't fill his "quota" with good solid traffic violations that he observed, then he shouldn't be writing anything at all. He is commiting dereliction of duty. It isn't about the fine, it IS about the "officer" deciding what penalty should apply - not within his authority, legally. 5 years on the job doesn't constitute "veteran" status. A true veteran understands the constitutional limitations of his authority.

 

well that's all nice and good, but what should be is a far cry from what is. telling someone to change the law is of course correct and proper, but it's a slow, tedious process, and often gets derailed for the wrong reasons, or simply for other reasons. long term and big picture-wise, yes that is what should be done. but it's not something that happens overnight and won't help someone who is currently being persecuted under the unfair statutes

but if you are the victim of an unjust system, you have to fight the injustice before you can get around to changing the system.

further, it's about proportionality. one ticket, one immigration oversight...people will fight these if it is affecting them. it is a lot harder to recruit people to fight, or sponsor you in your fight, if it could only potentially affect them down the line. people have lifes, are busy, are lazy, whatever. you try changing a law--it's not exactly a cakewalk. couple this with the moneyed interests arrayed against you, all of whom are extremely adept at touting false statistics or fear-mongering (speed kills, etc.) and you've got an uphill struggle all the way.

in an ideal world, yes, change the law. in the real world of today, don't take it lying down.

 

lmao.

just act friendly to a cop and it won't be long before the stories and sense of self-entitlement come out. it's a rare cop who thinks he is not above the law, and should not break the speed limit when off-duty. even their wives and other close relatives often feel "exempt" because their hubbies can pull strings and get them let off.

the worst examples i have seen have been in tennessee and new jersey (if you live there, get a cop buddy to give you a pba card), but i have come across this attitude in all states that i have been in.

 

I believe most here would be taking a different train of thought if the OP while speeding hit another car and killed all occupants. Especially while driving a Ferrari. Lets not forget that reckless driving turns into negligent homicide in the blink of an eye. A Ferrari driver who refuses to accept a ticket for speeding, then acting all high and mighty shows up with an attorney to fight his ticket, makes us all look like rich i'm better than you a-holes. Pay your freeking ticket.

 

Virgina has written laws where it is acceptable to travel at 70mph, but if you travel at 80mph, you are a criminal and can spend up to a year in Jail if convicted.
You can also spend a year in Jail if you fail to properly signal for a turn.

The severity of the punishment in now way matches the crime.

 

I don't know if you are aware of this fact or not. There has to be a break off point where going over that pre-determined speed becomes a crime. It could be 100MPH or 20MPH. That is up to you and your legislators.

Some people might think life in prison for murdering your pain in the ass wife is extreme too.
Until the rules are changed play by the rules or get a fine. Its as simple as that.

Nothing ticks me off more than a high performance car driver crying about driving too fast and getting a ticket. Talk about absurd!!!!

 

Well, of course. Because that would be a completely different situation.

So does normal driving.

You seem to be using some false logical argument that speeding is necessarily unsafe.

 

80 mph = 128 kph

http://www.europe.org/speedlimits.html
In most of Europe, the speed limit is 130 kph.

So driving at a speed that is considered safe in Luxembourg, will have you ending up in Jail in Virginia.
THAT, my friend, is absurd.

 

i just about lost me and my toy and was not speeding. however i was rapidly accelerating in a passing lane well under the speed limit and that got me in trouble. driver did not look or could not adjust to my speed and pulled into my lane. we missed but i learned another lesson in defensive driving. lost traction this morning in rain at 50mph. exciting! d-mn Viper rear was in three lanes at once. P-Zero's and a rear wheel change are on my NOW list.

 

I have a water well on a commercial property I own in Montana. That well according to the State Of Montana DEQ is contaminated with chemicals and is condemmend for use other than irrigation. 80 miles north of me in Canada, that water would be considered safe for a municipal water system. Sometimes things arent fair, but the law is the law.

But really, this thread in my opinion is about a Ferrari owner speeding, getting caught, and crying about the fine. That still qualifies as absurd in my book.

 

Why should the standard be any different just because it's a Ferrari or Lamborghini or BMW or SLR? Because the driver is perceived to be rich? Or because there is some inner resentment on the part of the general public? Sorry, but the courts don't recognize any such bias. Of course you get nailed if you kill someone. That's not really saying anything, besides raising a strawman argument. Who is going to disagree with that? D'uh!

The point is, speeding is very, very safe. To punish it at some level is acceptable in order to keep the roadways sane. To impose draconian penalties is stupid, and grossly unfair. Especially as many people don't get nailed for the same offence. Why should some be singled out? Because of what they drive or how deep their pockets are? That's retarded, and contrary to the principles that US law is based on.

The vast, vast majority of speeding incidents do not result in accidents or deaths. Certainly you would be reckless to speed in heavy traffic, or crowded areas, or neighborhoods where kids could dart out. But on a highway or rural route in light or no traffic? Come on!

Fact is, modern sports cars, with their superior handling and responsiveness to driver inputs, are safer than the SUVs barging around. And if you know about momentum, you will realize that a SUV would cause the same damage (if not more due to its larger volume) at a lower speed.

Why do we criminalize cars and driving? We shouldn't.

 

Um, no. He is not crying about the fine, but the other penalties, which are grossly unfair. Did you not read the thread, and how Virginia law treats people going 20 over the limit? Have you ever done that? Should you not be turning yourself in right about now?

 

Theres something odd here...

If VA actually enforces the reckless driving/misdemeanor charges on anyone going 20 over I would think that within a few years the majority of residents would have them. It would be epidemic.

My feeling is you go in front of the judge. Dont act like a elitist tool and they will drop the reckless driving charges.

 

Years ago got a ticket for 95 in a 55 driving my 430. Was polite to the trooper, hired a lawyer, went pre-emptively to a 6 hour state driving school, pleaded guilty, got everything reduced.

So, on the one hand I accepted responsibility for speeding, as some suggest. On the other hand, I gamed the system to reduce the penalties. In the OP's shoes, I'd play the game.

Without getting too political, I hope, the government seems to have become my adversary, with excessive regulation, ever growing fees and taxes, and diminishment of my civil liberties. I truly believe that the federal and state governments are far more likely to hurt me than Al Qaeda. Never felt that way before. Very sad. I think we may need less, rather than more, respect for authority.

 

Yes I have done that. Yes I have been caught and ticketed. Yes I did pay my fines.
I also live in an area where we did not have a posted daytime speed limit for quite some time. That freedom was destroyed by people with no respect for the laws that their elected officials made. If you don't like the laws where you live, change them or move. A couple of companies that helped destroy our speed limit was Mercedes and Porshe.

 

I love reading all this BS

 

Hey Mr. this is serious stuff right here!!!!

 

Yes Sir