Got nailed speeding in my fcar

No.

The Constitution of the United States does not separate its citizens into separate classes.

Should a younger person serve a longer prison sentence for the same crime than an older person because their percentage life span in prison should be equal to remaining life expectancy?

You seriously want to make a case that Joe Hobo's (driving a 25 year old VW bus and homeless) parking ticket should only be $5 and Bill Gates' $5000? Really?


The vast majority of Americans believe that equality under the law is the principle under which each individual is subject to the same laws, with no individual or group having special legal privileges. Apparently, you don't since you propose that penalties are calculated based on somebody's wealth/income/net worth.

Kai

 

Ah ok. In your earlier post you just said "pay the fine" and move on, which doesn't really capture the problem.

 

So, the rich should have the privilege of disobeying whatever laws they wish if they have enough money to afford to pay the fines?

Please don't tell me what I do and don't believe, Kai. A system in which only the poor and middle class must obey the law because they can't afford to pay the fines doesn't sound like "equality" to me.

 

At least for speeding, that isn't the case, thanks to "points".

 

not to hijack your thread OP, but "consular/diplomatic status" can be bought in much the same way virtually everything else on the planet can be bought.

that way you wont have to worry about petty LE and the petty crap they pull just to raise funds for their poverty stricken municipality.

I'm definitely not a lawyer specializing in international law, but if youd like more info feel free to hit me up on PM

Think of buying diplomatic status like an investment against BS like this Virginia law. It also acts as a "get out of jail" card and you get special license plates like this one
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The kind of consular status that gives you diplomatic immunity and diplomatic plates cannot be bought easily. It takes a LOT of money, and serious connections, so far as I know.

Those ads in the back of magazines touting diplomatic status for principalities like Andorra for a fee won't get you far if you get busted speeding and try to flout your diplomatic status. Even when the status is legit, often-times your country will hang you out to dry, recall you, revoke your status, or the cops simply won't honor it and it will cost you just as much in legal fees to unravel the mess.

Reminds me of a funny story involving Prince Laurent of Belgium. He was speeding through Palo Alto, CA, doing 65 in a 35 when a motorcycle cop pulled him over. First the cop couldn't understand why he only had one name. Then, when the cop told him that he had been pulled over for speeding, he asked what the speed limit was. Upon being informed that it was 35mph, he exclaimed "Don't be ridiculous, that's too low, how silly!" The cop was not amused, but after 45 minutes, someone from the State Dept. got on the phone and told him to back off.

I have a couple more data points (stories) regarding people with diplomatic status, but I will save them for another day/thread.

 

Wow what a tirade! Talk about things that make me laugh. I love all the capital letters, quotations and parentheses for the loud effect. It sucks when you talk so much that you forget your contradicting yourself. Have a nice day as well.

 

You seem to be basing this on the assumption that "rich" people are somehow evil by nature and that they will break the law simply because the fines are so low compared to their income. That's unfair.

Also, given that a lot of people on here feel that fines are a means of revenue generation, what would be the guarantee that drivers of nice cars would not be unfairly targeted? A LEO sees two cars, a Ferrari going 20 over the limit, and a Honda going 30 over the limit. If he is indeed out there trying to get ticket revenue, who does he stop?

If you think it's reasonable and fair that the government be granted the right to look into your private finances to determine the penalty on you for an innocuous offense like simple speeding, well that's just plain un-American.

 

Thought you were intelligent enough to understand I'm not contradicting myself. Guess not.

CW

 

Oh the personal attacks you make. They say a lot about you.

 

"The law, like the Hotel Ritz, is open to both the rich and the poor".
"The law, in its majesty, prohibits both the rich and the poor from sleeping under bridges".
The idea that class and wealth do not bring privilege is naive.

 

Really? Sadly, it's so obvious that you just don't get it. I pick apart your empty diatribe, yet, you hang on to it. And, what, pray tell, does that say about you?

CW

 

It says I am adult enough not to resort to elementary school yard insults. Can you say the same?

 

I'm not the one who just blew it on Fchat.

CW

 

Uh Ok!

 

Well, rather than admit that your commentary missed the mark, you resort to saying I'm infantile. Ok. I know what I'm dealing with.

CW

 

Actually, it would be considered juvenile. Infantile would be Pre-K Insults. LOL Who missed the mark with their commentary now? Please don't answer watching you get this upset has become tiresome.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I guess since you cannot get the substance right, focusing on the irrelevant will win the argument? And, tiresome? Arguing with someone who so obviously doesn't, and likely never will, get it is tiresome. The record is there for all to read. They can judge.

CW

 

Imagine how the rest of us feel.

 

That's the system we have in the US.

Sucks to be poor. So go get a job

Even the rich person will accumulate enough fines and points until his drivers license is revoked.

Based on your writings I can conclude what you believe. You believe the current fine system is unfair because the rich pay less as a percent of their total income. I appears that you are a believer of economic equality.

Kai

 

LOL.

This thread is full of laughter. It's amazing how one topic evolves into another.

Equality can never exist. It's impossible.

 

+1. I was really interested both in the legal options available to the OP, and to seeing what the outcome would be. Wearing my hip waders and holding my nose to get through this thread now, though.

 

Well it looks like they've taken the hint
To be fair its easy to get carried away with these exchanges.

 

My criminal justice instructor who was a cop for over 30 years told me he ALWAYS gave tickets to women he pulled over. That way there was no way for them to claim sexual harassment. He figures why would I give them a ticket if I was trying to hit on them? Just a thought.

 

The law is a reflection of what is perceived as evil while allowing evil to exist if not flourish. What is it about speeding that causes such animosity between people and government? Speed limits may have been designed for safety concerns a long time ago but in the 1970's became a means to control consumption. Under either rationale it is wholly warrant-less. If it was designed for safety then the limits would be based on factors such as vehicle and driver ability. If it were designed on controlling consumption then the limits would be based on vehicle. But this is too cumbersome for government to figure out with its limited resources.