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  1. lavaux

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    #151 lavaux, Mar 21, 2010
    Hello Mark, I am very well: the 3500GT is already several months stored away, and I have been working on my Aston Martin DB2 to put some small things right. I have decided to sell the DB2 and have now some potential buyers making offers. But that's not to be discussed in a Maserati thread!

    The oil radiator is attached to the water radiator at the right side at the bottom. You should find four holes on the brackets. It is exactly as shown in the drawing here above.
     
  2. mfletch

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    #152 mfletch, Mar 22, 2010
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    Here is a picture of the oil cooler that came (uninstalled) with my car. The oil pump is under the carnkshaft pulley and has two lines going out of it. One goes to the passenger side of the sump, and the other goes to the oil filter cannister.

    Trevor, thanks for the explanation of the oil cooling system on my car. It was helpful. I will try driving the car with the system as the previous owner had it. If it runs sufficiently cool, I will probably leave it alone.

    Ruud, that looks like a twin of my car. I have never seen another with the same exact color exterior and interior. Do you have any more pictures of it? I would love to see more. Do you think the oil coolor that I have, was originally installed on my car? Thanks for the information.

    Wilfried, thanks for the response. I love Aston Martins and would enjoy seeing a picture of your's here.
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  3. thecarnut

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    #153 thecarnut, Mar 23, 2010
    My 1959 3500GT also does not have the scavenger pump nor the oil cooler. I doubt the oil cooler you have was original installed in your car.

    Ivan
     
  4. Ruud Bax

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    #154 Ruud Bax, Mar 23, 2010
    Hi Marc,

    The picture is from my 101-1044, it has an older (1959) engine.

    To install the oilcooler you need connections to the oilpump or sump.
    As far as i know there are none on these engines.

    The conclusion is that the factory didn't install an oilcooler on pre 1960 cars.

    Ruud
     
  5. mfletch

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    #155 mfletch, Mar 23, 2010
    Ivan, thanks for the response. My oil cooler looks nothing like the one in the diagram.

    Ruud, thanks. I won't worry about trying to install it.

    I just spoke to the Power Brake Exchange. They finished rebuilding my brake & clutch master cylinders and my brake booster. The total was $459. I am also going to have them rebuild my clutch slave cylinder, both wheel cylinders, and my calipers.

    Can anybody offer me advice on how to remove the rear brake shoes and wheel cylinders? I hate to sound stupid, but I would rather ask, than break the springs. I would also appreciate advice on what type of paint to use on the painted parts in the engine compartment...such as the brake reservoir, vacuum cannister, radiator brackets, etc. Should I use a primer? Is a heat resistant paint necessary?
     
  6. mfletch

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  7. PSk

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    #157 PSk, Mar 24, 2010
    Just install a sandwich plate between the oil filter and it's mount. Piece of cake, but not necessarily period correct.

    As this car appears to have a canister filter you might have to do some machining to a sandwich plate but this is how 99% of oil coolers are installed on all sorts of engines.
    Pete
     
  8. mfletch

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    #158 mfletch, Mar 25, 2010
    lavaux emailed me with instructions on how to remove the rear brake shoes. It took less than a minute, with his advice. Thanks again Wilfried.

    I really appreciate the people that have taken the time to offer me their advice and wisdom. I am amazed at the wealth of knowledge that you guys share so generously. Thank You.
     
  9. thecarnut

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    #159 thecarnut, Mar 26, 2010
    Please post the instructions. I am mostly interested in advice on how to put them back on.

    Ivan
     
  10. mfletch

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    #160 mfletch, Mar 26, 2010
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    Ivan,
    Wilfried told me to pry the shoe up using a piece of wood. He told me to start with the cylinder side and use the wheel studs to pry from. For mounting the shoes, he tied the two pistons in the cylinder together with a string, so that they cannot fall out during that operation.
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  11. lavaux

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    #161 lavaux, Mar 28, 2010
    Hello Ivan,
    What I did: Put the two shoes together with the spings. Slide them behind the disk with the 4 bolts. Unscrew the adjustment scew in order to approach the two fix posts asmuch as possible. Slide the two shoes into the fix posts, keeping the other end of the shoes still in front of the cylinder (so that they can get together much closer than if they are in the cylinder. This helps to stretch less the other spring). Once the shoes are in the fix posts you can put the lower shoe easily into the cylinder (I should say "piston in the cylinder"). Now you must pry the top shoe into the top piston, taking very much care of your fingers in case it slips...! You can scew the adjustment screw in one you have mounted the drum.
    Wilfried
     
  12. mfletch

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    #162 mfletch, Mar 30, 2010
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    Wilfried, thanks for posting the instructions on reassembling the rear brake drums. That will be beneficial for me also.

    I just reinstalled the rebuilt Webers and my newly rebuilt brake booster. It is nice to be reassembling, rather than disassembling.
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  13. Harry-SZ

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    #163 Harry-SZ, Apr 16, 2010
    Great thread and what a fabulous car!!
    I really like the colour and the fact that it is still in this very good condition!
    This is a very special car. Any new updates?
     
  14. mfletch

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    #164 mfletch, Apr 16, 2010
    Harry, thank you. I love your Alfa. I have owned a few and I am a big Alfa fan. I hope they come back to America. Would you mind posting a couple pictures of it here and telling me a little about the performance?
    Sorry , no new updates...I'm going a little slow right now. Rebuilding the brake system isn't much fun.
     
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    #165 Harry-SZ, Apr 20, 2010
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    Thanks!!
    Pictures and everything about my car here :

    http://www.alfasz.nl (Site is in English)

    210bhp, 0-62mph in about 7 seconds, top-speed about 155mph.
    But the best thing is the sound of that Alfa V6 engine and the way is goes through bends. (and I like the looks and style! :) )
     
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    #166 mfletch, Apr 20, 2010
    Harry, I enjoyed reading about your beautiful and unique Alfa. Thanks for posting the website.
     
  17. lavaux

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    #167 lavaux, May 14, 2010
    Hello Mark,
    Have not heared from you for 6 weeks now! What are the progress you made?
    Regards Wilfried
     
  18. mfletch

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    #168 mfletch, Jul 8, 2010
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    I finally have all my brake parts replaced or rebuilt. I am looking forward to reinstalling all the nice shiney parts....except the brake/clutch pedal/master cylinder assembly. That was difficult to remove. I hope it is easier to reinstall.
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    #169 PSk, Jul 8, 2010
    Wow, great job.

    Those front calipers look real modern, are they 4 or 3 piston design?
    Pete
     
  20. mfletch

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    #170 mfletch, Jul 9, 2010
    Thanks Pete. They do look very modern. They have one large piston and two smaller pistons.
     
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    #171 mfletch, Jul 16, 2010
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    One down, three to go. A friend with a local shop is going to help me install the A-arm bushings and shocks, after the car is driveable.
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  22. lavaux

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    #172 lavaux, Jul 22, 2010
    Hi Mark,
    Have you now installed the brake/clutch pedals? I forgot to warn you that the rubber boots (separating the engine bay from our feet) presently availableseem to be inadequate: they do not permit the complete travel of the pedals. The old ones in place were teared in pieces.
    I have made such boots out of leather, and that worked well. I can send you some pictures to your E-mail adress, if it is not yet too late.
    Lavaux
     
  23. thecarnut

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    #173 thecarnut, Jul 22, 2010
    Lavaux,

    Can you please post the pictures in this thread as I too am interested. I currently have the brake pedal assembly out of my car.

    Ivan
     
  24. lavaux

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    #174 lavaux, Jul 24, 2010
    Hello Ivan,
    As I am still not capable of posting pictures, I have sent those to you by E-mail.
    Lavaux
     
  25. thecarnut

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    #175 thecarnut, Jul 25, 2010
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    Lavaux,

    To post a picture, click on "Manage Attachments" which is located under the area where you reply to a thread. It is very easy.

    I am posting the photos you sent me, thanks.

    On my car instead of boots it simply had a flat piece of rubber with a slit in the middle for the brake pedal to travel. Of course this design is not exactly weather proof.

    Ivan
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