360 Manual Vs Automatic Listing

The coupe description should be straight forward, not sure why people are getting that wrong in their description. As for the transmission: F1 is not automatic, there is a clutch, just not three pedals. Typically a listing stating "6 speed manual" is what you are looking for.

 

Doug- Welcome to the forum. It is you, unfortunately. F1 and three pedal 360s use exactly the same 6 speed transmission and single plate clutch. The F1 system is an electro-hydraulic gear shifting and clutch actuation system. Your left foot and right hand replaced by 900 psi of hydraulic pressure and an electronic brain. On the F1 shifter the throw-out bearing is changed and there is a clutch position sensor, but the rest of the clutch is identical to the 3 pedal cars.

If you want a manual shifter car, great, just realize the differences with the F1 cars and the parts shared.

You have the coupe vs spider part down pretty well.

Here, download yourself a 360 owner's manual and a workshop manual and become an expert on the type before actually buying one. Highly recommended technique so you do not sound like a dog watching TV when talking to someone whose car you would like to purchase. An educated buyer gets a better deal than a neophyte.

We will give you a test next week to see what you have learned.

http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/Downloads.htm

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I know your frustration. Yes, while technically an F1 is every bit a manual as a three pedal car, when you are shopping, surely sellers can do a better job differentiating the two types so that you can instantly skip the ad for an F1 if you are looking for a three pedal car. I can't tell you how many pages of ads for "manual" 360s I had to run through before I could find a pic of the interior console! So, because most ad services don't have a separate category for F1 transmissions, and everyone knows a 360 doesn't come in a "traditional" automatic, I think it's far better to advertise F1s as "automatics" and three pedals as "manuals."

 

Doug,

What are you looking for? Particular color combo, miles, etc?

John

 

When I was looking for my 360, being a true manual was at the top of the list. I am so glad to have one. Good ones that are well optioned seem to be in short supply. Good luck in your search.

 

Well.... I'm not tryting to start a fight but I do have two cents to add to this. I asked a good friend of mine who's in the trans business if these were considered manual or auto's... his reply was if you could push the auto button and it do everythign for you then it's an automatic. Not in the sense that we normaly think of with a torque converter and planitary gears, but an automatic none the less.

 

Michael- Good, we will not have a fight over it because it has been beat to death in numerous threads. Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. I gave the facts and you gave an opinion. Makes no difference as long as you know how it works.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

He is just plain mis-informed then. The F1 in the 360 is a hydraulically actuated manual.......the "A" button does not make it a automatic, just a convenient of LAZY manual.

 

Hello Terry,

Actually I think the "A" button does indeed make it an automatic. Is it a hydraulically actuated gearbox... Yep... but that doesn't change the fact that everything happens automatically.... All the driver needs to do is place it in forward, or reverse, and then step on the gas. Everything is done for the driver which certainly sounds like an automatic to me.

To me, the term manual would indicate that you are doing some of the work. In "A", you are doing nothing more than putting your foot on the gas. Everything else (clutch managment and shifting) is handled by the car (automatically).


Now, let me play devils advocate..... that same setup in a Stradale... does not have an automatic button.

 

You are correct! Also all 360's except the CS should be stick shift cause the f1 is a joke!

 

Mike- Another uninformed critic. Was not a joke when introduced to Formula 1.

All you holier than thou drivers with manual transmissions, grow up. Most of us were driving manual transmissions and crash boxes when you were in diapers or before.

Since I have been doing this a while here are a few old ones:

Cannot be real Ferrari if it has disc brakes; cannot be a real Ferrari if it does not have Weber carburetors; cannot be real Ferrari without points and at least one distributor; cannot be a real Ferrari if it has air conditioning; cannot be a real Ferrari if it was built after Enzo died; cannot be a real Ferrari if it does not have 12 cylinders (Enzo kind of subscribed to that one for street cars, the marketing guys made him call the 308 GTB a Ferrari instead of a Dino, how does Dino 360 sound?); cannot be a real Ferrari unless the engine is in front (Enzo quotes on not putting the cart in front of the horse); cannot be a real Ferrari if it does not have a spaceframe tube chassis; cannot be a real Ferrari if it has four seats; cannot be real Ferrari if it does not have knock-off wheels: etc. You get the picture. Times change.

I do not turn on my radio when driving my Ferrari. That makes me a stereo holier than thou. Who needs a stereo when you have that Ferrari engine music?

All equally ridiculous, especially the manual transmision one.

"I prefer three pedal driving" is perfectly adequate. More than that and you just sound like a whiney juvenile.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Lets settle this so both sides are correct! Technically the mechanism is manual but it can work as fully 'automatic' where the driver isn't involved in the shifting. Argue with that!

 

I noticed the same thing when searching for a 3 pedal manual transmission. All I can say is keep looking and have some patience. It took a long time for me to find a suitable car.