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  1. Alexweav79

    Alexweav79 Formula Junior

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    Yes, thank you. Would be interesting to know if Button would have tried the inside, would MS have tried the same thing he pulled on Rubino?

    Alex
     
  2. TifosiUSA

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    He was moving inside every lap to block so I don't see any reason why not.
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    It's already been 2 days since the race, Schumi has apologized, and yet this thing is still discussed? LoL...i thought we were all supposed to take a break till Spa...even the factories are closed... :D
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    The internet, like rust, never sleeps. ;)
     
  5. Remy Zero

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    :D

    Nice one mate! CHeers!
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    Brian here is what the drivers of yesteryear thought...:D

    Schumacher has never been able to differentiate between hard racing and what’s beyond a reasonable line – and clearly he still can’t,” said Martin Brundle, once a Schumacher team-mate at Benetton.

    “To endanger another competitor in such a way is totally unnecessary. I cannot understand why he does those things,” said triple World Champion Niki Lauda.

    “It was one of the most blatant abuses of another driver that I have seen,” said Sir Jackie Stewart. “It is a terrible example from a man who has seven world titles – bully-boy tactics.”

    “It was an idiotic manoeuvre that was extremely dangerous,” said Eddie Irvine, another former Schumacher team-mate. “It was incredible. He wasn’t thinking and it was just pure arrogance that he thought he could just drive another driver into the pit wall. He got punished, but I don’t think he got punished enough. He should have got a one race ban because it was one of the worst manoeuvres I’ve ever seen. He’s always done stuff like this and has intimidated people for a long time, but he got away with it because he was Michael Schumacher. He was ‘the’ Michael Schumacher, but this Michael Schumacher isn’t getting away with it.”

    “Michael went over the boundary of what is right,” said former F1 racer John Watson. “He knew what he was doing. I didn’t like what I saw. He’s a proud man and didn’t want to be overtaken but he reverted to an ugly animal instinct.”

    “That could have been a horrible accident,” said David Coulthard. “He never knows when to give it up — and that might be the case now with his comeback.”

    “He’s a seven-time world champion,” said Alexander Wurz. “He knew exactly what he was doing, he did it absolutely deliberately. A collision could have been fatal.”

    “I still have shivers after watching that move,” said Ferrari test driver Marc Gene. “It was unnecessary and very dangerous.”
     
  7. Remy Zero

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    Thanks for the post Steve. Thing is, if MS made it easy for Barri, it would have been the same thing-the press would still say bad things about his comeback, and that he lost his touch, etc. :)
     
  8. kraftwerk

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    Yup a no win situation for him there in a slower car, I suppose.
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    Somehow I doubt that at this point Michael is too concerned about what other people think.
    If he did he wouldn't have risked the potential embarrassment of a come back.
     
  10. AntonioMora

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    Stewards only ran in time when is good for Hamilton, rest of the drivers are not important for them, especially if these drivers are from ferrari. regards.
     
  11. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes clearly this is the case.
     
  12. aventino

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    Don't you mean most ever? Not really the same................
     
  13. TifosiUSA

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    #38 TifosiUSA, Aug 5, 2010
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    From a historical standpoint it really is. People can get all emotional talking about things that are vague/unprovable and don't matter but in the end, stats matter and MS is the best by a huge margin. You can't prove who was actually faster between all drivers in the sport's history, but you can prove who was statistically.

    GO MICHAEL! Now that everyone except for his true fans are in head-first saying that he doesn't have it anymore and made a mistake (including the ultimate has-beens still hanging around like Lauda, Stewart, Irvine, Coulthard and the never-beens like Brundle), it would be fantastic if he came out next year and was a front runner. Here's to hoping!

    Personally, I just can't help but think of how brave it was for him to come back in the first place which shows me that despite all the heat the press wants to put on him that he doesn't care/won't get rattled, will see out his contract, and end up being successful.

    I'm sure that Tifosi12 will want to bet some beer w/me on this one and I'm cool with that too hahah
     
  14. DM18

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    Couldn't agree more
     
  15. TifosiUSA

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    Most noteworthy part of that post in my opinion.
     
  16. tifosi12

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    Happy to take on a bet against MS, but you gotta be a bit more specific.


    I found a fascinating read:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1300058/Whats-REALLY-driving-Michael-Schumacher-edge.html

    "We saw it in the desperation of his duel with Barrichello - and desperation is the word. Desperation because his Mercedes is not a world-beater and, maybe more significantly, because his talents no longer allow him to eclipse, or even vaguely match, team-mate Nico Rosberg....This proud man... has so far only damaged his legacy.
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    Quite the source you cite there;)
     
  18. tifosi12

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    Right.

    To be perfectly honest I'm disappointed with some of the more serious newspapers (like motorsport akutell and Speedweek): Just like Speed TV they would never say anything negative about a driver, possibly out of fear that they get cut from access.

    That's one thing I like about Benoit: He is his own man. As a friend of Bernie and shortly before retirement he doesn't care about "lost relationships" and writes how he sees it. And he is merciless, particularly about MS. Even more so when you talk to him in private. :)
    I had a chance to talk to Hobbs and he too thinks MS no longer has it. But he'd never go on the air to state that publicly.

    In the end it doesn't really matter if a paper has a bad reputation or not: If they manage to change their readers opinions, or even if they only reflect their readers' opinions, it might be enough to show to sponsors that a certain driver is "out of style" with the fans. It doesn't matter if there are a few thousand die hards left, it only matters what the majority thinks and if they give a driver a thumbs down, the lions just might have a good day.
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    I think that analysis, while logical, sells Michael short. We should know better than that after all this time.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    And your point is?

    You should know me better than that after all this time. ;)
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    My point is that Michael might still surprise us.






    I'm not willing to put money on it though.
    ;)
     
  22. patricko

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    "Yesterday one of the stewards from the race, former Formula One driver Derek Warwick, said: 'I believe we had three laps to disqualify him, and throwing a black flag would have shown a better example to our young drivers. But by the time we got the video evidence we ran out of time.'"

    It may have been said earlier in the thread but I am not sure they really have the stones to black flag MS. It is easy to say after the fact but really being the guy to black flag MS 7 time WC is another story all together.
     
  23. TifosiUSA

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    I would be willing to bet that he beats Rosberg.

    EDIT: Do I think he will win the WDC next year? No. However, I think that he will finish in the top 5.
     
  24. Axecent

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    I'll take some of that action. MS top five?

    So is this a gentlemen's bet or are we gonna at least put a decent case of ale up for the winner.
     
  25. Aircon

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    lol...what's the difference? You senile bastards will have forgotten by next year. LOL
     

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