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Have to sell my 328, what do you guys think?

Discussion in '308/328' started by DMaury, Aug 4, 2010.

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  1. DMaury

    DMaury Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2007
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    Ponchatoula, LA
    I'm finishing up a new home construction and need the cash. I can do it without selling the car, but seeing as I never drive it (have put about 400 miles on it since restoring it) I think selling it might be a better option. I haven't really kept up with the 328 market over the past few years, but I know it sucks to be selling now! ;)

    For those that don't know or remember the car, here it is in this thread documenting the restoration (really a whole body repaint and a completely new full leather interior from ReOriginals)

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174763

    Details:

    1986, lots of miles (71K or so) belts done 3 years ago, but only a few thousand miles on them. Runs great, cosmetically near perfect. (Bit of road rash on those fog lights, little scrape here and there on the front valence) Everything works as new; even has a new power mirror switch! ;) Have the original window sticker and complete service records back to 86, all books and tools. Shots of the finished car near the end of the thread. Larini exhaust with test pipe.

    I bought it for 32K in 2007 and probably spent another 40 or so over the past few years bringing it back and maintaining it. I know I'll take a bath selling it fast, but what do you guys think a realistic "sell it fast" number is? Don't worry, you won't hurt my feelings. ;)
     
  2. db6

    db6 Formula Junior

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    #2 db6, Aug 4, 2010
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    For a "normal" car (like a Porsche or BMW) being sold to a "normal" buyer, those things would not be huge problems.

    For a Ferrari, esp. a 3X8, you might as well give the car a coating of bubonic plague to go along with that repaint, nonoriginal interior and those miles. Oh, and apparently "conventional wisdom" being that you are now due for a tbelt change.

    None of those things would stop me from buying your car (well, maybe the bubonic plague would give me some pause), in fact, I'd prefer it. A car you can actually drive. And, also . . . drumroll . . . on a nice Saturday morning, WASH! WITH ACTUAL WATER!!!

    If you want a guess, I'd guess you'd have a hard time getting a price that starts with a "3." Advertise at $32K and sell in the midupper 20s.
     
  3. viper_driver

    viper_driver Formula Junior

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    Wow, beautiful. Really nice restoration. No matter what the buyer pays they're getting a great deal.
     
  4. mustardfj40

    mustardfj40 Formula 3

    Jun 17, 2004
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    Nice car! Unfortunately it's not a seller market and likely will stay that way for sometime. Personally I think you do the right thing putting the money on the home, I'd rather buy another home than another Ferrari, but that's just me.
     
  5. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    wow, i dont "like" 328's much, but your car , and all the work that went into it are really amazing.

    I am sitting on my cash for a euro QV, (which i have not found yet,) but i will let some of my buddies that are not online know about your car.

    wow!

    Good luck with your sale, this is a great place to find a serious buyer.
     
  6. chris_columbia

    chris_columbia Formula Junior
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    400 miles since re-paint and you already have some road rash? Selling quick might be easier on this sight. A place like ebay, and you could be chasing winning bidders who don't show up. I would think high 20's low 30's should sell quick. It would be a steal at that price. It looks like a new car. I assume it runs well too.
     
  7. 4re Nut

    4re Nut F1 World Champ

    Mar 27, 2004
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    Wow, wish I was ready. Hope it stays local. Better yet...sell the house and keep the car! :D

    I thought of you when I saw this article: Raccoon terrorizes family
     
  8. AJS328

    AJS328 F1 Veteran
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    Apr 23, 2003
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    I bought my last 328 (Black/Tan '87 GTS with 74k miles) in August 2007 for $31,500. Obviously the market was better then but you have a red/tan car that doesn't need anything. I think that you should still be able to get somewhere between $25k-$30k for the car. Good luck! :)
     
  9. MS250

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    DMury - i just saw the refresh pics you did. I will not even venture what you should list your car at in this market. But i will say this - the numbers posted above i think your making a big mistake to sell the car. I think you should keep it -
     
  10. Mfoncerrada

    Mfoncerrada Formula Junior

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    #10 Mfoncerrada, Aug 7, 2010
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    Ouch!

    Of course only you know the full details (finances, use, enjoyment, sweat and love, etc.) - buit it sure seems like a shame to sell that vehicle with all you have done to it.

    This forum is very probably the best place to advertise it - knowlegeable buyers will appreciate your car much more than a typical "Ferrari inexperienced" prospect.

    I have never considered a 328 but your car makes it tempting...however my Mondi is serving me well....

    Best of luck on whatever you decide to do....let us know how it trns out.
     
  11. DMaury

    DMaury Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2007
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    Thanks for all the feedback guys, but at the numbers I was being told and offered, I just couldn't see me parting with it. From the private offers here, I just don't see this as a 25-27K car. Having said that, if I hadn't found the cash elsewhere, I probably would have taken 33-35, my original purchase price on the car.

    What I don't get is the attitude about the 'bubonic plaque' comment. This isn't a collector car or investment vehicle we're talking about; it's just a 328, a fairly mass produced (by Ferrari standards) vehicle that will never be worth a lot of money.

    I understand the typical Ferrari buyer looks for cars that have never had anything done to them, but you pay a sizeable premium for those time capsule cars, but then you can't drive them at all if you are at all worried about resale.

    Now, I didn’t think my car was some 45K 328 (like I said, I'd have taken mid to low 30's) but mid 20's? Are you kidding me? Take a look at what is being offered out there in the 40's and you can see the wear on the interior and engine compartment. My car looks showroom new, in fact the interior is BETTER than new.

    To say the car has the plaque to me means you'd pay more for the same car with a worn interior and flawed but original paint (which is what I'm seeing some of these driver cars go for) than a car that has been brought back from that to an as-new condition? That makes no sense.

    This car has had every gauge refurbished, all interior switches replaced, all the fuel injector lines replaced and replated, all the nuts, bolts replated, two tops (one the last brand new top Maranello Concessionaires had, new windshield, etc... Not quite a Newman job (not even CLOSE to a Newman job ;) ) but still, pretty darn nice. It has gone on snowfields with other Ferrari’s a few times and some folks here can tell you it looks really good.

    So after all my whining, I understand why this car will never sell for lots and I was willing to take what I was, but I just don't see this as a 25K 328. In fact, I haven't seen ANY recent sales of 328's for that price regardless of condition or mileage. Not counting wrecks, floods or salvage title cars of course. :)
     
  12. 308 GTB

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    Neither do I. I'm happy to hear you're keeping the car.
     
  13. Mfoncerrada

    Mfoncerrada Formula Junior

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    #13 Mfoncerrada, Aug 7, 2010
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    You probably don't get the statement because you like to drive your car (as do I - and DB6 was not expressing his opinion...)....but if you look at other threads you have to admit there are lots of Ferrarti enthusiats that value original equipment above all...


    +1
     
  14. Simon^2

    Simon^2 F1 World Champ

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    IMO the only issue you have is the miles. Plague??? forget it. The car looks beautiful.

    My guess 28-32k.

    25K is thievery (at that price I'd be happy to steal it though!)
     
  15. GrayTA

    GrayTA F1 World Champ
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    +1 If I were in the market I would consider this a steal even in the low $30's.....



    PDG
     
  16. db6

    db6 Formula Junior

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    I agree with everything you've said.

    I don't get the "bubonic plague" thing with a 71K Ferrari either - but it exists. There's a weird odometer fixation with buyers of these cars, where a "25K mile" dog is worth more than your excellent car. (I put "25K mile" in quotes because I think at least half of those are really 75K+ mile cars). For many buyers, the number on the odo means more than the actual condition of the car.

    I agree on the low mile time capsule cars. I've owned them in the past, own one now - but never will again. I'm with you, I'd rather have a car to drive and have fun with. My next one (if there ever is one) will be one exactly like yours. IMO they are the best value and the most fun.

    I don't see your car as a $25K car, even in today's bad market. I think if you put it up for $25K, you'd sell it in a week, maybe even a day. That'd be a steal. But when you start to get to an actual sales price in the 30s, you are starting to compete with a lot of "low mile" "original" cars.
     
  17. db6

    db6 Formula Junior

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    Being offered in the 40s is a lot different than being sold in the 40s.
     
  18. chris_columbia

    chris_columbia Formula Junior
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    You said you wanted numbers for selling quickly. Those are numbers you got. You could get $35K, but it might take some time, and a few people coming to look/drive/etc.
     
  19. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

    Jul 26, 2009
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    When I purchased my car I was offering low (in the range I could afford) and the PO asked me what I thought the car was worth. I said 30K, but XX is all I can offer. I was the only person to look at his car in over 6 months and I got it. Your car is likely worth 35K, but if no one will give you that for it inside of 6 months it isn't worth that on a quick sale. At 25K with people here who know it you would move it. At 30K it may even take a few months unless the planets align correctly. I hope you can keep the car. Terrible economy, few people are spending cash on non essentials.

    I don't think anyone here is trying to say it's only worth 25K, they are saying based on market and your desire to sell quickly it would be 25K, or 27 or 30,500? Many people with more money than that are looking to 360s, not all, but some.
     
  20. mike996

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    "Worth" is like "value." It is only what someone will pay to buy something, If it won't sell for 35k then it's not "worth" 35k. That may change if the economy turns around but I'm not sure we'll ever see these cars "worth" what they used to be. Even if the economy dramatically improves, a lot of people are going to have a bad taste in their mouth and I think the long term effect is that even if they can afford it, people are going to be reluctant to spend money in the future on luxury items, especially items that have little practical use...like our old Ferrari's, :(
     
  21. lostbowl

    lostbowl Formula 3

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    IMHO, The market for your car WILL improve--------------don't take a bath let the swimming pool wait a few years. I would say 3-5 yrs and you would see 50K. Lost
     
  22. CliffBeer

    CliffBeer Formula 3

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    You have a beautiful 328 there. I would guess you could get $30-35K for the car - she shows very well and looks like she's in very good mechanical shape.

    After putting so much time and effort and $ into your car you should enjoy it for a few years! It's a rotten time to sell, so don't sell unless you really need to. And, the market may have recovered in a few years and you'll get the enjoyment of driving your car, and selling it from more $ down the road.
     
  23. mike996

    mike996 F1 Veteran

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    well, from a financial point of view, don't confuse more money later with less money now; they are not the same. Inflation, cost of ownership/maint/insurance means that selling it in 5 years for 40k is probably the same as selling it now for 30k as far as actual money is concerned.

    It's like saying that since a new 89 328 cost 86k (per my sticker), the fact that it sold in '07 for 54k means that it only lost about 1/3 of it's price. But, of course, it actually lost 2/3 of it's price when inflation is calculated. But in addition to inflation you have to figure in the cost of operation, insurance and maint. Those items alone are likely to be at least 10k in 5 years.

    So if you want to sell the car, you have to consider what it REALLY costs you to keep it when GUESSING on how much the economy MIGHT improve in the time frame...
     
  24. f1lupo

    f1lupo Formula Junior

    Aug 4, 2008
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    wow with comments like that please sell the car! if some one talked that way about my girl WATCH OUT :)

    funny thing is I remember my cousin not buying a nice 72 Dino back in the mid 80's for peanuts because so called Ferrari 'experts' said the same things !!! go figure...


    btw, do you also own a porsche??
     
  25. viper_driver

    viper_driver Formula Junior

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    A year and a half ago, when I was looking for a 3x8, I would have jumped on this for $35K.

    Maybe I'm in the extreme minority, but I didn't care about mileage; the interior and exterior restoration would have made it a no brainer.
     

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