team orders

This stupid rule would never have come to life, had it not be for Ferrari taking the fans for idiots during the Austrian GP a few years back and forcing Barichello to let Schumacher through in such obvious manner.

Team orders existed before and the practise is unavoidable, and very difficult to stop, but insulting the intelligence of millions of spectators so arrogantly to crown Schumacher tipped the balance: the FIA had to try something to prevent such blattant cheating.

The public is often knowledgable about racing and can understand the interest of a team in deciding the outcome of a race; but it doesn't need to be insulted by obvious trickery.

 

Not much to hang one's hat on. Is it? If the rule is asinine the rest doesn't really matter if we're being honest and consistent.

 

True enough however:

The trouble is, is when everyone, but one appears!! to playing by the rules , it doesn't really give out the desired honest effect..really does it. After all it is a rule there is no escaping that fact, and there is no escaping the fact it could have been done/handled alot better.

Thats Life D back at ya..

 

In the land of the blind the one eyed man gets poked in the eye.
Dumbing down the rules to suit the lowest common denominator is not the path to excellence.

 

Well I'am getting off this merry go round I see all the points and I hear you.

My parting shot is, why make a example on track that the rule stinks, when it has resulted in this mess, there are other means and ways. The thing is will be forgotten in next to no time, or will it keep rearing its head everytime Massa is in front of Alonso.

Until such a time the rule has been changed is it not best to try and play them, stupid ones or not...

 

You are confusing clumsy for deliberate

 

I think it was both

 

Ok you got me there...

or it Depends whether Smedley ends up swimming with the fishes..

 

Typical Libra

 

No, but a quick check of my YouTube profile would clear that up. Actually, I just checked and it is not there, google?

Thinking about it, deliberate first closely followed by clumsy.

If Flavio is not available Ferrari could try and hire this guy as team manager.

Sadly it may be easier to get Flavio
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Thew Ferrari management is constantly arrogant.

First it provokes the FIA to edict a rule to preserve the ethics of the sport.

Then it flouts that rule and pretends it's irrelevant!

Good or bad, rules are rules and anyone breaking them should be punished.

In my book, the ONLY possible sanction would be to EXCLUDE Ferrari from the 2010 World Constructor Championship.

 

And let them play the martyr? God no

Just exclude both drivers and Scuderia Ferrari from the German GP.

Scuderia Ferrari has done a fine job of excluding themselves from both the WDC and WCC this year, they don't need the WMSC to do it for them.

 

If the rule could be enforced universally and fairly I'd agree. As it is only blatant transgressors can be sanctioned while those more subtle skate free.
This only brings disrespect on the FIA and its entire rule book.

 

Have you considered this?

What if the rule was designed to only punish the blatant and it is working perfectly?

Discuss

 

You are either joking or don't understand the corrosive effect of selective enforcement.

 

I am not joking.

I understand how the FIA that Ferrari seemed to run until recently operated.

I do also understand subtly and I also have been watching F1 for over 25 years. F1 is very complex and operates on many levels that NASCAR could never understand.

You are correct that a rule against team orders is impossible to enforce 100% of the time. It is however possible to comedown hard on a team that fragrantly violates the team orders rule.

So, yes I think it is working perfectly and while some fine adjustment may be useful we can not dump the rule. If we did Scuderia Ferrari would have Massa give way to Alsono at the first race of the season on the basis that Alsono is the better driver and therefor has the better chance to win the WDC.

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
We are not discussing a rule that is flagrantly violated by one and subtly by a few. All teams violate this rule. It is impossible to function as a team and not violate it.
As far as your assumption that repealing the rule would turn F1 in to ice hockey is foolish. It wasn't the case before the rule and won't be once its repealed.
BTW If you think NASCAR is without nuance and subtlety you haven't looked closely enough.

 

It is no different than how the police enforce the speeding laws. I think we may all have some experience there

Do you think it was smart for Ferrari to have done this? If you ran the team would you have done it? Were the 7 extra points for Alonso really worth it? We are still talking about this how many weeks later? All those weeks of talking about how Ferrari snatched defeat from the jaws of a 1-2 victory. Like Kraftwerk pointed out, this is not selling cars...

 

We need the rule because of what Ferrari did in 2002 and that is why we can't have nice things

I have never watched a NASCAR race, I have seen bits here and there but that is it.

What am I missing?

 

Oops. Just realized there is no spoiler warning, so I delete my post.