FERRARI To Give Up On 2010, Will Focus On 2011?

I don't agree with your statement but things really are in a bad way comparatively. Half of me hopes we do well in Monza, but I certainly know Ferrari doesn't deserve the championship this year

 

Schumacher did not design the cars that he won with either, but yes his testing did help ... but of course unlike MS, Alonso can't test.

Thus the fault really is in the design room, not with the drivers. After all we have seen before if the car is good, even Massa can look competitive. And if the car was good, Alonso would relax and stop trying to drive the piece of **** at 11/10ths (which Massa can't even do) and of course when you drive at 11/10ths you make a few mistakes.

And before anybody comments on the fact that Massa out qualified Alonso at Spa, that qualifying was a lottery due to the weather conditions, Massa got lucky.
Pete

 

All your points are rather dead on. FA is a talented driver, possibly needs a bit more maturity, but talented nonetheless. At this point in time I am rooting for Webber, he has been quite a good gentlemen on and off the track this year.

 

I'm pulling for Webber as well.....to beat his teammate like a rented mule.

 

Excellent points, lack of testing is really really hurting Ferrari for the last couple of years.

 

Didn't they "give up" on 2009 to focus on 2010?

 

Before halfway through the season if I remember correctly

 

How are Red Bull and McLaren doing it? They all have the same lack of testing.

 

Unless they make some management changes, they might as well concentrate on the season in 2015.

 

And Alonso was not lucky at Germany but handed a victory he hardly deserved. Alonso was also LUCKY in Bahrain. Whats your point. Alonso's victories this year certainly are not due to his superior skills. Manipulated races and jumped starts along with his other major mistakes(rain spin at Spa) he is quite the 2x WDC Id rather see Kubica or Webber in red. Alonso is over rated.

 

they're simply outdoing Ferrari in the 'lab'...and without testing it's much harder to catch up after the fact.

 

Déjà vu....

The team seems scattered... As if they're still trying to rebuild from the Brawn era.
All psycho-babble aside, the engineers should take the majority of the criticisms. We all know Alonso drives the hell out of anything he's ever been in, so I can only assume lack of serious testing and an unorganized engineering dept. is to blame.

It's amazing to see so many of the other teams get it right. If anybody told me two years ago, Torro Rosso would be doing this well over any competition, I would have laughed. The desire to win and a team with nothing to loose makes for one hell of a show. Ferrari get so worried about reputation they give up two years in a row half way into the fight so that they can write off any awful finish that will happen down the line and "focus" on the next year.

It pains me to see our team doing this...

_J

 

That's what they're been saying for about a year now. When they stopped developments on the F60, much to Kimi's annoyance, the F10 was supposed to be a killer car.

But with these sorta mistakes, performances, Ferrari deserves neither of the titles. God knows if they will ever recover from the Brawn-MS-Todt-Byrne era...

 

This statement is definitely a funny one :

F1 experts and pundits, including Bernie Ecclestone and Niki Lauda, have recently played down expectations that Alonso will be able to emulate the role formerly played at Ferrari by Michael Schumacher.

Domenicali disagrees: "Alonso reminds me very much of Schumacher.


Why is Dom always kissing Alonso's rear end?

 

Forget about Toro Rosso mate. Look where Force India were a few years ago, and look at them now. Look how Renault have progressed under Kubica.

It's pretty clear the management of the Scuderia is in chaos. Dom definitely needs to leave.

 

Give me a break.

Have you ever driven a car that is not competitive?. While I obviously have never driven a F1 car I have club raced a little Alfa Sud that was actually very competitive over one or 2 laps but then would fade over a proper race distance as I tried to maintain that competitive pace (the front tyres would go off). I would also make more mistakes because I was over driving the car, trying to do something that it simply could not do. And I used to race in NZ, thus I know a lot about racing in the rain ... its pretty damn exciting!!

Thus I do not criticise any driver for loosing it in the rain, heck it IS a bit of a lottery and yes even MS used to occassionally spin off in the rain.

So we are back to manipulating races and jumping starts. Well with the jumping starts, if your car is a piece of slow ****, this is a sign of a driver that is actually trying to make the best of his unfortunate situation as the start is close to everything. And as for manipulating the races, the team know which driver to support because they know a heck of a lot more about the 2 drivers than we would ever know ... and I'm pretty sure it clearly shows that Alonso is actually faster and funny thing is, even with all his non-finishes this year he is STILL ahead of Massa in points.

Oh if you want to exercise your narrow minded debating skills further, here is a topic YOU can continue: Is the colour red really actually blue?.
Pete

 

You have to admit that Alonso had made quite a lot of silly mistakes this season: jump start in China IIRC, crash in Monaco in practice, a few bad starts... I can understand the spin in Spa, for example, but not the other kind of errors: he did not those things when he was world champion in 2005.

Does this mean that is this the beginning of his end? Hope not so.

 

nah, it just means he's trying to get the third/fourth fastest car out there into the one spot on the grid. a bit of desperation...a bit of 'i have to get out first to have any chance of winning' due to lack of outright winning pace in the car...

 

I understand that if you drive hard under the rain in Spa you can crash, but I can't see how jumping the start or crashing in practice can help to overcome the limitations of a car.

 

Look at Alonso's history with the sport and his overall attitude.

Pushing and sometimes taking it too far is nothing new.



_J

 

Hmmm, okay jumping the start was a mistake, yes but I suspect, as Scuderia980 said, bought about due to some desperation in trying to get infront of faster cars in the hope of being able to dictate their pace and do better than his car should.

And crashing in practice, is again a sign of a man that is trying to lift a car faster than it should go ... yes it is unfortunate but to be fast you have to find those limits and some times you have to go over them, he did but he went just a little bit too far. If he had managed to hold on to it we might well be talking about his brilliant lap at Monaco instead ...

I've definitely had my share of spins, infact if I had never spun I would not consider myself fast. But one thing I do know is a good fast car is much easier to drive ...
Pete

 

Because of teh monies Alonso brings

LOL +1

Unfortunately 2 more years with monobrau . Unless he starts throwing his toys out of the pram soon, very publicly...Then swapsies for Kubica please!!!

Pulling for Webbo as well this season, this is his most realistic chance, Vettel has some maturing to do, and can fight it out with Hamilton and Kubica in the next 10 years.

 

A driver has to know when he has to push and when not. Pushing in practice in Monaco is not a good idea.

I really doubt that any driver can face more pressure than Alonso in 2007. Yes, he crashed under the rain in Japan. Still, he didn´t make this kind of silly mistakes.

 

It is easier to slow down once you have found the speed, than the opposite ...

I understand what you are saying, but I'd always rather my drivers pushed hard, and if that means a few offs, so be it. Better than safetly coming last in every race ...

Plus lets be fair, Monaco is a pretty easy place to have an off.
Pete