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reversing the high beam switch so up = high beams?

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  1. stevel48

    stevel48 Formula 3

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    On my 85 308 you flip the headlight stalk down for the high beams and up for parking lights only. The problem is that the stalk hits my knee when the high beams are on.

    So, I must be able to reverse the switch so up is the high beam. Do you think its as easy as swapping some wire leads?
     
  2. Ffinally

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    If that proves too difficult, try flipping your headlights upside down :)
     
  3. Paul_308

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    Hits my knee too, which is an automatic city mode headlight dip.

    Standard headlight switch positions are parking, low beam, high beam. If you wish to make it parking, high beam, low beam, it's super easy. Once you gain access to the fuse panels, note there is right and left fuse panel. Working on the right fuse box and naming fuses from left, as A, B, C, D ...:

    Remove the red wire from the top of fuses A or B, and place it atop fuse C or D, whichever has a vacant terminal. Remove yellow wire from atop C or D, and place it atop fuse A or B, which ever has the vacant terminal where you removed the other wire. Fuse A or B should have a blue wire for the instrument panel indicator which isn't to be moved. The high beam indicator isn't to change.

    If for some reason your wire colors are different (seems Ferrari occasionally ran out of certain colors), treat the exchange of wires atop the pair of fuses as I have mentioned. A simple reversal of the stalk switch feeds to the headlight fuses.

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  4. stevel48

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    Fantastic paul. Thanks!
     
  5. stevel48

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    I'm going with

    low beam in center position (stays as is)
    high beam in top position
    parking in the low position (the one that hits your knees)
     
  6. mwr4440

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    Me TOO!!!!!!!!!!! :)


    Tillman,

    May I suggest this IS a candidate for the 3x8/Mondi DIY TECH Sticky at the top ..........
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

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    #7 Steve Magnusson, Sep 9, 2010
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    Unfortunately, doing this is much more difficult than the clever simple swapping of the low beam and high beam positions that Paul suggested. The uppermost position of the lever must remain for the parking lights unless you do some (serious) surgery to the lever switch itself or some added relay and wiring tomfoolery.
     
  8. mwr4440

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    Oh go ahead and throw a bucket of H20 on this great idea ......... :( :D


    Seriously, Why is that? What is the problem?
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    The problem is that in the uppermost lever position there is no connection made in the switch -- and to have this uppermost position turn the high beams "on" you need something making a connection. If you are truly interested, I can sketch up a schematic that shows how by adding a ...101 Bosch relay (and some wires) you can swap the high beam and parking light lever positions using the existing switch.
     
  10. stevel48

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    Post away please!

    Could you simply turn the switch mechanism inside the column upside down and then put the beam stalk back in?
     
  11. flyngti

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    No. The entire switch body is a single unit housing all the controls (lights, turns, wiper) and the switch saddles are molded in to the housing. There is not an easy way to simply flip it around to make it work. I think Steve's method of rewiring is probably your best bet.
     
  12. stevel48

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    I guess i'll just shorten my legs instead.


    Naaaa, I'll give this a try.
     
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    #13 eurogt4, Sep 9, 2010
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    It probably wouldn't look as nice, but I'll bet you can use a tubing bender to give the stalk a little upturn near where it comes out of the steering column. It wouldn't take much. Don't put any strain on the internals.
     
  14. Robz328

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    You can also flip the car upside down.:D

    BTW, I will be re-engineering my lights. That stalk switch is an accident waiting to short...the only thing holding it together are little balls and springs.
     
  15. stevel48

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    Sounds fun Sinore Gorlami.
     
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    Is it also possible to switch on the lights in the front bumper without popping up the headlight pods?
     
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    Yes.

    There is a "fix it" around here somewhere. The Ferrari NA site MAY have it.

    Got to find it and do that too.
     
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    I know it's not much but I thought the steering column height can be adjusted?
     
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    It can. SOMEWHAT.

    Take off the bottom coller cover (4 tiny phillips screws) and there are two bolts holding the column in slide-like elongated holes in a bracket.

    Loosen and adjust and retighten as desired. You will likely block the Slow Down light indicators (IF you have a Nardi; MoMo, no idea) though if you adjust it downward from "full up" as I did but my fat cats (totally clogged) "took a hike" so no issue to me.
     
  21. Paul_308

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    The headlight circuitry of Ferrari cars of that era is built around having the parking lights on regardless of switch position, up/middle/down, simply when the stalk is turned. That's one part of the switch. The other entirely different part of the switch is the headlight part which has contacts at up/middle/down. But wiring to the switch connector is another matter and circuitry is far there is from universal.

    If you must, find a wire to those 'up' contacts (likely blue and unused on US QV cars) and extend that to the top of right A-B fuses. Remove and tape off the existing red wire. Make certain no other wires are connected to the up contact of the switch such as exists on Euro QV cars which are wired to a parking light indicator and hazard lights. PLEASE document what you do for the next owner. Most guys are happy for a way to have the parking lights on without the headlight pods up. Guess you want that next.

    Note for interested passersby, the headlight wire colors from switch to fuse panel are different on every car model. I've assumed the OPs QV is US which are Red (high) and yellow (low beam). YCMV -Your colors may vary
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    #22 Paul_308, Sep 9, 2010
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    Diagram to accompany the discussion above. Note the red, yellow, and blue (w/yellow stripe) wires emanating from the headlight switch. The 'up' blue wire crosses to the turn signal connector and goes nowhere. That is the wire to exchange with the red wire at the fuse panel resulting in a headlight switch function swap of 'up' and 'down' positions. Diagram lifted from the drawings of 1983-1985 US QV cars. Earlier cars don't have an 'up' switch contact. YCMV

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  23. Frari

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    Whatever you do do not cut the green wire....kaboom!!!
     
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    I must agree: that wire goes to the parking lights and makes up for the blinker fluid (very inflammable and could explode the car).
     
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    Actually, it is pronounced "Gore-lam-ee" in my (Italian Tennesseean) dialect.

    You may call me Enzo.

    After I re-do the lighting circuits with local relays, I will say "Arree-ver-Deerrchi" to the glitchies.

    "Bon Jurn O! "
     

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